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Plato\'s posed who said
it\'s very dangerous to

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allow the wrong kind of
music in the Republic.

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And there\'s an old Arab proverb
that says when the King puts

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the the poet on his payroll he
cuts off the tongue of the poet.

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I think of that every
time I got a job on TV

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The media has become an extremely
powerful force in people\'s lives.

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And by force I mean it
is where people not only

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get their news about what\'s going
on in their community and in

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the world and everything in between but
it\'s also where people get a lot of

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the ideas about who they are and what
their place if you will in society is.

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Democracy basically cannot work
without an informed citizenry

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And in a country the size
of the US that means

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you meet an aggressive
independent news media.

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Citizens are going to make
their political decisions and

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calculations based on information
and most of the way that we get

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information is through our
major mainstream media

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when that information is bad you
know false partial distorted.

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Then it\'s going to interfere
with the workings of democracy.

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People aren\'t gonna be informed aren\'t going
to be able to be full participatory citizen

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If all you read was the New York Post

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If all you read was the daily
news you would have no materials

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no information with which to form

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the begin to get a different
perspective and not only that.

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Most people don\'t read any newspaper.

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Most people watched television.

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There\'s more punditry on television.

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That is to say opinion
Ising than journalism.

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So there\'s more argument shows.

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Shout shows people yelling at each
other unless less light more heat.

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There\'s been a merger of
news biz and showbiz so that

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entertainment values are
infiltrating all the news coverage

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As a consequence there\'s less background as
context less than analysis and more image

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driven information which often can be very

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misleading or inaccurate
and work just plain wrong.

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People associate the news with Entertainment
Tonight or Access Hollywood or whatever.

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I mean they said anchor desk.

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So it looks kind of like
the news and people.

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The news is dedicated a lot
more to those kind of feature

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esque stories that are a lot
more celebrity reporting.

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It\'s Monica Lewinsky.

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Gary conduit OJ Simpson to a
certain extent Robert Blake.

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There\'s just tons of them.

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And in the case of someone
like Monica Lewinsky

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Americans have to look and say well Osama
bin Laden was out there at that time.

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There was a lot of things happening in

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the world and there always are
a lot of things happening

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around the world that we were caught up

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in whether our president was
gained a blow job or not.

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There is this thing called the
dumbing down of America in which

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fewer and fewer people read books

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fewer and fewer people are
interested in intellectual issues.

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So I think that that probably reduces
the power of intellectuals even more.

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But there are very few Americans
who would even described

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themselves as intellectuals
even those who are

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professors or writers or painters or whatever
they would never say I\'m an intellectual.

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It\'s considered embarrassing
to say that in America

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the idea of geography is very
exciting to people because I

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think it\'s only 7% of the
American people have passports.

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Only 7% had been abroad.

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Not counting the ones who were
sent in the military of course

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but 7% voluntarily going abroad.

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It\'s a tiny percent of those
in Congress who going abroad.

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Bush had never set foot in Europe
before he became president.

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He spent ten minutes in
China when his father was

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ambassador there and obviously
never went outside the compound.

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I have to do a lot of times in
Europe is explained to them.

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No Americans are not stupid.

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They think when they meet them they think

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they\'re very stupid because
they don\'t know anything.

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I said they are not stupid at all.

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As a matter of fact I think we\'re
rather brighter than the average.

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But we are ignorant which means not

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knowing we have new information
because it isn\'t given to us.

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Our public schools are scandal.

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They stopped teaching geography it in
1950 and most of the public schools.

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By which time we were a global
empire we have a global empire.

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Nobody knows where anything is.

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Nobody knows any languages.

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So our statesman go abroad
and people laugh at

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them because they are so
dumb or seemed to be so dumb

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I am so very happy to be here.

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I\'ve been feeling isolated so lonely.

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So convinced by the mainstream
media that I\'m out of

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my mind to be worried about this path
that we are taking tours this war.

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Look around you and seeing how many
people are here today because I

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guarantee you it will not be represented this
way when you read about it in the morning.

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There is a growing movement in this
country that is not only protesting war.

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They are protesting the media
that beat the drums for war.

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Most people have to rely on

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mainstream newspapers and other
news and it\'s terrible or system

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that doesn\'t especially about
foreign policy scope with

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usually like black is white and of his damming
the Unite tells the opposite of the truth.

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So I think most people despite
having like very little

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some are are already
suspicious of his war if they

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actually had more access
would totally be against it.

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You have people saying outrageous things
like the Cheney or Rumsfeld every day and

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you want to journalists and to ask

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difficult questions about a half
a difficult question nothing.

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So it\'s a complete carte blanche
for the government and they are

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not even talking to anybody who causes

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a war that people in the anti-war movements
that\'s a very one-sided picture.

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So it doesn\'t really help a lot of ordinary
people who are confused not really sure.

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Why are we attacking a country
that has an attacked us

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it doesn\'t help how much faith
do you place on the media and

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the media how much safety Place and
we ministration men and the media.

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The US media has really taken has
just become a propaganda machine.

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And that\'s a fact. There\'s nothing objective
about it whatsoever at this point.

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So you know written you
know watching CNN or read

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papers for the White House Administration
from another point of view.

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But I mean there\'s

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a lot of people here and
they\'re not going to

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show that they might say
that there was a protest

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To ask whether or not you
would say that it was

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October 26th there was a
major anti-war march in

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Washington DC outlets like the
Washington Post and the LA

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Times ran you know big headlines and estimated
the crowd size at around a 100 thousand.

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People. Also noting that this far exceeded

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the organizers expectations you
know they got a really big turnout.

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The New York Times however and National
Public Radio and rather different stories.

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According to them there were
a few thousand people there.

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And organizers were disappointed
with this small turnout.

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We had huge

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Crunch backstage of TV
cameras newspaper reporters.

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I was the media coordinator.

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I was answering phone calls every five minutes
in the days leading up to October 26th

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There were several reports from
some major news outlets like

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the New York Times National
Public Radio which in

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their initial reports reported
a few thousand people.

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We call the New York Times and
we said why did you print

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this article and they really weren\'t
interested in talking to us.

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We issued an action alert to
our email list which went

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out to about 32 or 33 thousand people.

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And within a day there were hundreds and
hundreds of letters being written to

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the New York Times and NPR asking
them to please correct this coverage.

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Now interestingly enough the
New York Times never ran

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a formal correction but three
days later on October 30th

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they ran a second follow-up article editor and
publisher described it as a make-up piece.

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Noting the correct size of the rally

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noting the organizers were
very pleased with the turnout.

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And it\'s sort of just stood
in direct contradiction to

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the earlier piece NPR for its part.

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Both updated the piece on the air and put

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a formal apology on their website
formerly correcting the error.

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And I think people have begun to
understand that part of our work has

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to be keeping the pressure on the
media as well as on the government.

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In order to get the story out there we
understand in this country that it takes

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media activism that the media is

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a part of the establishment and
they have to be ripped from it

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to follow. What should be their original
mission and that is to report the truth and

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the many truths of people who believe

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many different have many different
views on what should happen right now.

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I think that under counting crowd sizes at

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popular demonstrations and particularly at
peace demonstrations is a very common error

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enough so that it\'s a trend in mainstream
media though those of us who are

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activists just have to see how
the New York Times which is

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the the national newspaper covered

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two anti-war demonstrations the one on October
26th and the 1-2 weeks ago on January 18th

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They knew perfectly well that there are

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a 100 thousand people at least
they\'re on October 26th.

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And yet they said several
thousand in their coverage

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two weeks ago on January 18th The New
York Times reported tens of thousands.

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The police chief of Washington
DC estimated 200 thousand.

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So they\'re just symptoms of a
media that is now controlled

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by multinational corporations doing the
bidding of the corporations that own them.

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In the early days of the anti-war movement
the media actually covered it a fair amount.

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And that\'s how we knew
that things were happening

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You know they they covered when students
would walk out of classes in college.

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Now they hardly cover.

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There\'s a lot of campus stuff going on in
the mainstream media hardly covers it.

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So one of the ways that
the movement grew was

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because the mainstream media was
covering it at a certain point I

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think they realized that
they were servicing us and

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helping us and the coverage
stopped or change and their work.

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And certainly in the last several
years of the anti-war movement there

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was often what they would show
is like the most what you might

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call the most fringe people
would you know people who wore

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the most kinda outrageous outfits and

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weren\'t dressed like mainstream
America or people who had the

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the weirdest sign or

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the most inflammatory cytokines

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and that\'s what the picture would
be or or something like that.

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And also one thing is that
while the media often would

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cover some of these stuff that
the anti-war movement was doing.

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They wouldn\'t always get it right
about what the content was

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and what the message was and often
it was portrayed as a kind of

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anti-American where it was really wasn\'t

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so much Anthony America\'s anti US policy

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and anti this war that the
United States was carrying out.

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I think the media\'s coverage
of today\'s movement is

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very similar to the way it covered
anti-war movement during the Vietnam War

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And for the most part to
media when it covered

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draft resistors or any kind of large
demonstrations during the Vietnam War.

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Focused earn.

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The most outrageous looking and most outrageous
behaving activists that they could find

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the mainstream middle age or older

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protesters who came out
with their children for

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example never appeared in
photographs or in stories.

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In the mainstream press that seems
to be happening today as well.

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One thing that happened
recently I along with

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a 100 other law professors sent
a letter to President Bush.

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And so to lawyers in the UK sent one to

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Blair and lawyers in Canada sent
went to Prime Minister Chretien

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about if they fight a war
with Iraq having to obey

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the Geneva Conventions and not bomb
civilians and kin bomb the electrical grid.

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And they put I put they put us on TV
on it on one of those cable channels.

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And they lead was can you believe this you
know look what these nutty lawyers are doing.

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And then they have the debate with
the person who disagrees with us.

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Well that\'s not really it\'s fine
that they had to debate this.

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I want to disagreed with us but they characterized
the whole program is if we were nuts

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this is after the Bush administration or
the first Bush administration. Essentially

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Violated the Geneva Conventions all over

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the place with regard to
what it did to Iraq and 91.

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And and then we send the letter.
They say we\'re crazy.

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And one of the anti-war groups
not in our name produced

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an ad and they offered it to MTV
MTV rejected the ad they did cover

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it and MTV news but they wouldn\'t
broadcasts that even though

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the group offered them money and even though
MTV originally agreed to broadcasted.

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So the group was able
to bypass MTV by buying

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time on the cable systems which
carry MTV and distributed

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Mtv so it has gotten out in some cities and
in some markets but it\'s an uphill battle.

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Why should people with
antiwar points of view have

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to buy time by ads in newspapers by time

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on TV to get their voices
heard why aren\'t they being

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heard as part of the national
debate asked the question.

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There have been more than a million people
who have marched in Italy in Britain

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in one protest alone there were
400 thousand people and they

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were addressed by the likes
of John pill juror the

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well-known Australian filmmaker
who lives in Britain the Mayor of

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London Ken Livingstone the
labor parliamentarian

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George Galloway who has been
to Iraq a number of times

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they were addressed by Scott Ritter the
former UN weapons inspector and many others.

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That protest is very significant.

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It didn\'t get covered by the New
York Times or the Washington Post.

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They did cover a protest the week before.

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That was that occurred in Britain had

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about the same number of people
that was for fox hunting.

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The media has been quite

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irresponsible I think and the portrayal
of the Arab and Muslim community.

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There have been numerous
examples of television shows

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and news programs which have
been extremely irresponsible.

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And this has included having

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the so-called experts on the
Arab world are Islam making

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some quite appalling statements which are
able to go unchallenged. It\'s included.

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For example talking about
terrorism and using

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the imagery of Muslim men
praying which is quite an

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insidious sends a very very bad message

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that the praying is inherently linked to

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terrorism which is obviously
extremely problematic.

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It\'s a it\'s a film based on a memoir.

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So it\'s not a documentary.

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But it has been advertised
as the real store.

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The truth behind the scenes story
is sort of how HBO\'s promoting it.

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It\'s called life from Baghdad.

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And it\'s about CNN\'s coverage
of the 1991 Gulf War.

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The scene in question that fair
issued an action alert about was

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about a story widely
circulated both by media

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and by the US government during their first
goal for about Iraqi soldiers coming into

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a hospital and pulling infants out of

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incubators and sort of leaving
them on the ground you know

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implication being either they were killed
or severely injured something like that.

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The Kuwaiti girl testified before

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Congress about having witnessed
this as an atrocity and it

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was one of the major
motivators of getting people

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behind the war effort about this
terrible thing Iraqi troops.

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Did. The movie live from
Baghdad and retells the story.

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And sort of shows a CNN news
team going in trying to get.

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Get the real scoop on it
find out what happened.

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It\'s sort of unresolved in the movie but

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most viewers I think we\'d be left
with the impression that this had

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occurred and the Iraqi government was trying
to use CNN for its own propaganda to deny it

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And in fact those Story was a PR
concoction but it was a PR concoction.

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Probably of the Kuwaiti
government perhaps the US.

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There\'s a well-known PR firm called
Hill and Knowlton that was behind it.

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After the war was over it was debunked.

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We now know it didn\'t happen.

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And so when HBO announced
this film airing which

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had sort of portrayed this as the truth we

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issued a media advisory
and actual or about it.

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It\'s difficult to speculate
on the motivations of HBO.

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We do have questions about the
motivations for the movie In general.

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It almost functions as a commercial for CNN

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And CNN and HBO are owned by

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the same corporate parent AOL-Time Warner
which raise some ethics concerns for us.

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I\'ve been investigating.

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What\'s going on in Venezuela.

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I not only have met with the
President I\'ve met with

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the president of Venezuela Hugo Chavez
but I met with the people kidnapped him.

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Back in April I met with

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both sides had been in the street I\'d
been trying to find out what\'s going on.

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I met with opec members trying
to find out what\'s going on.

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New York Times

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Runs a picture on the front page of thousands
of people demonstrating in the streets

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against Hugo Chavez and I was in Caracas
I saw those people demonstrating.

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No question. They were there.

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Ok what they didn\'t show is that across town
there was a demonstration which was bigger

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for Hugo Chavez then there\'s

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a literally slice the picture so
that you\'ve got a false story.

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And in that case you know you had a picture
that was worth a 1000 lives because he people

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see a picture and they
believe while you can\'t

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fake a picture it\'s the truth
but the picture was true.

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1000 people marching as the president
of Venezuela but they didn\'t

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say more people are marching for him.
So the picture

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was in effect fabricated propaganda
complete absolute nonsense.

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They they put out the story for
example that Hugo Chavez resigned as

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President where they get that they
actually I asked them about that too.

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They said oh we gotta from the
US State Department as if that\'s

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an acceptable source and they ran it as

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true they didn\'t even say the US
State Department asserts or we

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got this from the US State Department
no identification to source.

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Simply reprinting official state
propaganda which was which was

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nothing but a bunch of garbage crap
nonsense baloney fabricated lie end

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to end and a dangerous lie because

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By saying that Hugo Chavez
who was being held hostage

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had resigned that gave
legitimacy to the acute eta.

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Now if Chavez had been killed
we\'d have never known the truth.

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After they had been particularly
myelin sort of insulin

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in the Israeli Palestinian
conflict of I\'d written a piece on

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settlements and sort of
making what to me was

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the self-evident point namely that
there was no way of coming to

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an accommodation in between Israel and the

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Palestinians without the elimination
the collapse of the settlement

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So I didn\'t think I was writing anything
particularly radical or militant.

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But nevertheless that piece
was turned down everywhere.

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Even to the point where a major european
publication a weekly I won\'t give

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the name sort of wrote back to

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say that they couldn\'t publish it and
gave a number of reasons and so on.

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And then the additive additive
Piazza at the bottom of the letter.

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And he said because I happened to
know him personally you hadn\'t said.

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Of course you realize

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that I totally agree with your position.

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But I feel that I can publish it.

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35 years ago.

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Martin Luther King said in his
famous speech when he came

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out against the war a quote
and I know many of you

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know the United States is

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the greatest purveyor of violence
in the world today that was 1967.

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But yet if Martin Luther King were
alive today and when on Fox and said

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that they did arrest and what
they they killed them actually.

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Out of a mainstream you know we
gave you a Nobel Peace Prize.

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We\'ve bought one of Berkeley blonde

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You can just imagine what all
the talking heads with tall.

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Well you can\'t say that it\'s
unpatriotic shut them up.

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Ever since 911 September 11th the
American media has tended to try to be

00:24:51.410 --> 00:24:55.099
patriotically correct not to get ahead of

00:24:55.100 --> 00:24:59.104
the viewers to try to pander
to the viewers to be able to.

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And they\'ve often served as a as

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a echo chamber a megaphone for the for
the government and government positions

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And they\'ve tended to cover the news in

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a very pro Administration way excluding
critics excluding other points of view.

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This is dangerous for democracy because
people are not being given all sides and not

00:25:20.330 --> 00:25:22.609
being able to be given the information they

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need to make up their own
minds about what\'s happening.

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There\'s been a lot of manipulation.

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There\'s been a lot of censorship.

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And there\'s been a lot
of self-censorship after

00:25:31.010 --> 00:25:36.739
the September 11th attacks newscasts
literally became wrapped in the flag.

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Both broadcast and cable
TV news they develop

00:25:40.160 --> 00:25:44.944
different little fruit fly and graphics
to literally frame their newscasts in.

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Many anchors are reporters
started wearing flag lapel pins.

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And it was a really overwhelming.

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And in our book and appropriate
we have figures like

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Dan Rather one of the best-known most
respected news people in the country.

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He went on The Letterman Show
and which is late night.

00:26:06.800 --> 00:26:12.364
Talk show. And said basically Mr.
President just tell me where to line up.

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And he started crying and it\'s just this
very emotive extensively patriotic display.

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There was no distinction made
after 9-11 between trying to

00:26:22.550 --> 00:26:30.550
understand political phenomenon
and thinking it was a good thing

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You know and people who tried to do that.

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People who said let\'s think
about why this is happening.

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We\'re called knocked unpatriotic.

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Susan San tag for example wrote you know

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500 word piece little little edit

00:26:53.270 --> 00:26:57.409
for The New Yorker in which she said
look they\'re they\'re not cowards.

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And also we should think about
why this why this is happening.

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What this represents an oh my god.

00:27:02.810 --> 00:27:05.839
She\'s so anti-American she\'s
hostile to all our values.

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She\'s terrible.

00:27:07.385 --> 00:27:11.059
She\'s she\'s a policy is
apologizing for that was that you

00:27:11.060 --> 00:27:15.199
could not try to understand something
without seeming to apologize for it

00:27:15.200 --> 00:27:22.654
And I think it it took months
and months and months before.

00:27:22.655 --> 00:27:28.710
It was possible to ask the questions that the
rest of the world was asking right away.

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In a world of change and hope and parallel.

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Our faith is sure.

00:27:36.245 --> 00:27:38.869
Our resolve is firm.

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And our union is strong.

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I watched the State of the
Union speech and took place

00:27:47.525 --> 00:27:52.294
and it was the most fawning agile auditory

00:27:52.295 --> 00:27:55.129
media response that I\'ve ever seen.

00:27:55.130 --> 00:27:57.229
They all talked about
Bush being determined and

00:27:57.230 --> 00:28:00.919
square jawed and giving a
great speech and really

00:28:00.920 --> 00:28:03.529
being unwavering and
made them into this like

00:28:03.530 --> 00:28:06.979
Caesar addressing the Roman
Senate which is what it was like.

00:28:06.980 --> 00:28:09.949
It was like Caesar talking about
empire to the Roman Senate.

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And that\'s the way if you watch
the TV yesterday I didn\'t see

00:28:13.370 --> 00:28:17.419
one commentator who is
critical at all of that scene.

00:28:17.420 --> 00:28:19.459
And of course you had all
of our congresspeople and

00:28:19.460 --> 00:28:22.069
senators clapping away et cetera et cetera.

00:28:22.070 --> 00:28:25.159
President Bush gave a press
conference and it was

00:28:25.160 --> 00:28:27.784
his eighth press conference
since he\'s been in office.

00:28:27.785 --> 00:28:34.459
By this time. Bill Clinton had given 30 press
conferences and the same amount of time

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Office so he doesn\'t give
many press conferences

00:28:37.325 --> 00:28:40.699
and this press conference
seem to be very managed.

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The President has certain message.

00:28:42.755 --> 00:28:45.589
He repeated it no matter
what question he was asked.

00:28:45.590 --> 00:28:47.419
He spoke very slowly.

00:28:47.420 --> 00:28:50.989
He talked a lot about his faith
his personal convictions why

00:28:50.990 --> 00:28:56.164
Saddam Hussein was a bad guy but he often
didn\'t even answer a lot of the questions.

00:28:56.165 --> 00:29:02.839
But worse I think than all of that the press
corps didn\'t ask him very strong questions.

00:29:02.840 --> 00:29:06.379
There was a tendency to
try to be nice to ask him

00:29:06.380 --> 00:29:10.789
Very sort whether we call softball
questions not really tough questions.

00:29:10.790 --> 00:29:17.404
And as a result I think the whole of the
whole situation was a charade of journalism.

00:29:17.405 --> 00:29:20.869
It was it was it was a disgrace.

00:29:20.870 --> 00:29:25.144
Dan Rather was on my program there
was another reporter talking to him

00:29:25.145 --> 00:29:29.509
News Night BBC television London
and he told the British audience.

00:29:29.510 --> 00:29:30.949
We can\'t ask questions in America.

00:29:30.950 --> 00:29:32.584
We know we should be
asking tough questions.

00:29:32.585 --> 00:29:34.609
I know I ought to be asking
tough questions but I

00:29:34.610 --> 00:29:37.999
don\'t because I\'ll be lynched.
I\'ll be killed.

00:29:38.000 --> 00:29:40.879
That\'s what he said. If I ask questions and

00:29:40.880 --> 00:29:43.549
people call me on patriotic
that\'s what they\'ll call.

00:29:43.550 --> 00:29:48.529
So he\'s Dan Rather is on those powerful
journalists in America television journalists

00:29:48.530 --> 00:29:53.359
Can\'t tell the truth he\'s afraid of asking
a question can you manage his interview

00:29:53.360 --> 00:29:58.534
was number one story in almost every
British newspaper the next day.

00:29:58.535 --> 00:30:00.949
It wasn\'t even covered
by any American papers.

00:30:00.950 --> 00:30:07.534
It was a small little celebrity quote in the
Los Angeles Times that was all I could find.

00:30:07.535 --> 00:30:09.409
We also had a situation where one of

00:30:09.410 --> 00:30:13.339
our top investigative reporters
seem more Hirsch well-known

00:30:13.340 --> 00:30:15.839
for investigating the me Lai massacre in

00:30:15.840 --> 00:30:19.189
Vietnam and many many
Watergate many big stories.

00:30:19.190 --> 00:30:23.509
He was attacked as a terrorist
by Richard Perle one of

00:30:23.510 --> 00:30:26.329
the President\'s top advisors called him

00:30:26.330 --> 00:30:30.889
a terrorist because he was criticizing
the fact that Richard Perle

00:30:30.890 --> 00:30:34.774
Is investing in companies that are
involved in homeland security

00:30:34.775 --> 00:30:38.794
while he\'s an adviser to the President
saying it\'s a conflict of interests.

00:30:38.795 --> 00:30:40.624
So he gets brand that a terrorist.

00:30:40.625 --> 00:30:44.719
They came up with a new idea of
co-opting journalists what they call

00:30:44.720 --> 00:30:48.979
embedding them putting them into
the military units where they

00:30:48.980 --> 00:30:53.659
would get to know the soldiers where the
story would shift from a policy story to

00:30:53.660 --> 00:30:56.179
a human interest story profiling

00:30:56.180 --> 00:30:59.914
the soldiers and where they\'re
from and and and the rest of it.

00:30:59.915 --> 00:31:02.809
Now many other people feel this
is dangerous and it\'s like it

00:31:02.810 --> 00:31:06.199
not embedding but getting
embed with the military.

00:31:06.200 --> 00:31:10.924
And this is something that threatens
independent coverage of the war.

00:31:10.925 --> 00:31:16.129
Putting reporters into the
army that is pretty giving

00:31:16.130 --> 00:31:21.274
them uniforms giving them training and
having them go along with the soldiers.

00:31:21.275 --> 00:31:29.164
I mean this is a very clever device to
bring the report is close to the military.

00:31:29.165 --> 00:31:32.899
And you know there\'ll be friends
with the with the military.

00:31:32.900 --> 00:31:35.689
They\'ll be friends with the
generals and colonels and

00:31:35.690 --> 00:31:41.134
and and they will be watched closely
about what they report about the war.

00:31:41.135 --> 00:31:47.269
So the media in the United States was not
an independent media and that\'s why we can

00:31:47.270 --> 00:31:53.704
see that the Bush administration
propagating lies in effect

00:31:53.705 --> 00:31:58.759
maintaining that there have been
documented evidence of weapons of

00:31:58.760 --> 00:32:02.059
mass destruction and yet not able to

00:32:02.060 --> 00:32:06.049
produce them after it\'s been in the
country for more than a month.

00:32:06.050 --> 00:32:09.769
Now it\'s why they\'re able to make
the case that there is a link

00:32:09.770 --> 00:32:13.789
between the Iraqi
government and Al-Qaeda and

00:32:13.790 --> 00:32:17.389
the public believes that there
is a link even though there is

00:32:17.390 --> 00:32:21.544
no evidence no evidence has
been produced of that link.

00:32:21.545 --> 00:32:24.319
And one of the reasons he\'s
able to do this was because

00:32:24.320 --> 00:32:29.839
the media the major media television
major newspapers radio stations.

00:32:29.840 --> 00:32:32.884
They have cooperated with
the Bush administration.

00:32:32.885 --> 00:32:35.854
They have not been bringing out

00:32:35.855 --> 00:32:37.864
the 2 thousand election.

00:32:37.865 --> 00:32:43.624
They have helped create an amnesia
about the 2 thousand election.

00:32:43.625 --> 00:32:49.549
They have not gone into the history of
American policy in the Middle East.

00:32:49.550 --> 00:32:51.664
They have not been talking about oil.

00:32:51.665 --> 00:32:59.665
They do not go back to the coup in Iran in
1953 they don\'t give any of that history.

00:33:00.950 --> 00:33:06.289
So with the cooperation of the media the
Bush administration has succeeded in

00:33:06.290 --> 00:33:09.199
diverting the attention
the American public from

00:33:09.200 --> 00:33:13.009
the election of 2 thousand from the
failure of the bombing of Afghanistan.

00:33:13.010 --> 00:33:17.974
From the question of allow news
networks like Fox Television in effect

00:33:17.975 --> 00:33:22.354
A mouthpiece for the government that
you can\'t really distinguish between

00:33:22.355 --> 00:33:27.274
a government press conference with government
spokespeople and Fox anchor sometimes.

00:33:27.275 --> 00:33:30.574
And this is a network that more and more.

00:33:30.575 --> 00:33:33.289
That is gaining audience
in the United States.

00:33:33.290 --> 00:33:41.290
So it\'s a it\'s a a very
discouraging situation here

00:33:41.555 --> 00:33:45.019
where more and more people
are are are receiving

00:33:45.020 --> 00:33:50.869
their news in this kinda fashion and r
As a result less and less informed.

00:33:50.870 --> 00:33:54.694
And the government is able
to get away with with

00:33:54.695 --> 00:33:59.914
an agenda which is not grounded
often in fact or in truth

00:33:59.915 --> 00:34:06.570
With the power that it has
a dangerous combination.

00:34:41.740 --> 00:34:44.070
Okay

00:35:32.260 --> 00:35:38.089
The journalist Ben bag Dickey and a
former assistant managing editor of

00:35:38.090 --> 00:35:41.059
the Washington Post did a book that

00:35:41.060 --> 00:35:44.374
was first published in 1983
called the media monopoly.

00:35:44.375 --> 00:35:48.889
At that time he documented that
50 corporations through ownership

00:35:48.890 --> 00:35:53.269
controlled most of the news and information
flow in the United States fast forward

00:35:53.270 --> 00:35:59.059
two decades by the year 2 thousand that
number had dropped to six and still dropping

00:35:59.060 --> 00:36:02.329
Well that involves concentration
of media ownership

00:36:02.330 --> 00:36:05.509
which is de facto political
and economic power.

00:36:05.510 --> 00:36:07.024
It reflects that power

00:36:07.025 --> 00:36:12.709
And it reinforces a few corporations
really control the media and controls

00:36:12.710 --> 00:36:15.379
a news outlets right now in
this country and there\'s been

00:36:15.380 --> 00:36:18.889
just a narrowing of space in the media.

00:36:18.890 --> 00:36:22.969
And that\'s why the fight to hold onto
Pacifica was so important because

00:36:22.970 --> 00:36:27.244
there are so few outlets be they
print or electronic outlets.

00:36:27.245 --> 00:36:32.779
Where where do you hear alternative
voices we hear not just challenges to

00:36:32.780 --> 00:36:36.289
the policies and the status
quo but but places where

00:36:36.290 --> 00:36:40.099
you can hear other ideas of
how life could be different.

00:36:40.100 --> 00:36:43.579
The mainstream media
beats the drums for war.

00:36:43.580 --> 00:36:46.414
Mainstream media profits from war.

00:36:46.415 --> 00:36:49.339
The corporations that own the media

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Let\'s look at the Persian Gulf War
in 1991 Westinghouse owned CBS.

00:36:56.180 --> 00:36:58.804
General Electric owned NBC.

00:36:58.805 --> 00:37:02.449
These were two of the major
weapons manufacturers.

00:37:02.450 --> 00:37:06.154
They made most of the parts for most of
the weapons in the Persian Gulf War.

00:37:06.155 --> 00:37:13.489
Well you know the American media is not a
very democratic institutions and the media

00:37:13.490 --> 00:37:19.038
are concentrated in a few
hands a few powerful

00:37:19.039 --> 00:37:25.774
media giants control most of the major television
stations most of the major newspapers.

00:37:25.775 --> 00:37:31.209
Most cities in the United States had only
one newspaper no competition really.

00:37:31.210 --> 00:37:36.604
And and and these media giants

00:37:36.605 --> 00:37:41.599
have very close connections with
the government in Washington.

00:37:41.600 --> 00:37:47.689
And they have a tremendous lobbying effort
they are the ones who succeeded in getting

00:37:47.690 --> 00:37:54.859
the Telecommunications Act of 1994 tasks
by Congress signed by President Clinton.

00:37:54.860 --> 00:38:00.649
The Communications Act enables
the major media to acquire

00:38:00.650 --> 00:38:06.649
even more and more of the media
outlets in the United States.

00:38:06.650 --> 00:38:13.594
So this is a billionaire owned media

00:38:13.595 --> 00:38:16.609
And they\'re interests are close to

00:38:16.610 --> 00:38:20.179
the interests of corporate America
and close to the interests of

00:38:20.180 --> 00:38:27.019
the American government show they have been
doing what the American government wines.

00:38:27.020 --> 00:38:29.554
I think this country has moved.

00:38:29.555 --> 00:38:32.719
The center has moved very far to the right.

00:38:32.720 --> 00:38:37.804
And my Syria always is that the President
determines where the center is.

00:38:37.805 --> 00:38:40.729
And so the more conservative
the president is

00:38:40.730 --> 00:38:43.369
everybody kinda just move over it
I guess it should be this way.

00:38:43.370 --> 00:38:45.994
Everybody just moved over a
little bit more to the right.

00:38:45.995 --> 00:38:49.549
And so we moved a little
bit back at with Clinton.

00:38:49.550 --> 00:38:52.399
And now it\'s moving way to the right.

00:38:52.400 --> 00:38:57.019
Just way over there is still
a left in the United States.

00:38:57.020 --> 00:39:00.454
Well you know if you had
asked me this question

00:39:00.455 --> 00:39:06.889
a year ago I would\'ve said
essentially know that

00:39:06.890 --> 00:39:09.709
what there is is that there are

00:39:09.710 --> 00:39:17.659
a collection of loosely
friendly single issue groups.

00:39:17.660 --> 00:39:20.269
There\'s the environment.

00:39:20.270 --> 00:39:21.889
There\'s feminism.

00:39:21.890 --> 00:39:24.604
There\'s racial justice.

00:39:24.605 --> 00:39:29.029
A few years ago not so much now
there was a lot of activity in

00:39:29.030 --> 00:39:34.710
solidarity with Latin American
liberation movements.

00:39:34.800 --> 00:39:40.524
But a year ago it didn\'t
seem to me that the

00:39:40.525 --> 00:39:43.719
that there wasn\'t anything really
that you could call a left that was

00:39:43.720 --> 00:39:46.599
it was more than 3 thousand people.

00:39:46.600 --> 00:39:49.854
In our country. I pick
that number out of a hat.

00:39:49.855 --> 00:39:54.039
But today I think that
it\'s a little different.

00:39:54.040 --> 00:39:57.789
I think that this a number
of things together have

00:39:57.790 --> 00:40:02.634
really waking people up and one of
them is the prospect of this war.

00:40:02.635 --> 00:40:07.254
And the other is the Bush administration.

00:40:07.255 --> 00:40:12.639
You\'ll remember that when the
election was in dispute.

00:40:12.640 --> 00:40:18.204
A lot of people thought well Bush is
go if he if he becomes the President

00:40:18.205 --> 00:40:23.319
He\'s he\'s he was elected by
the minority of the people.

00:40:23.320 --> 00:40:27.849
And he\'ll be aware of that he\'ll govern
from the center he\'ll be moderate.

00:40:27.850 --> 00:40:32.469
He\'ll have to placate all those
angry Democrats out there.

00:40:32.470 --> 00:40:35.799
He took the ball and like the Republicans

00:40:35.800 --> 00:40:38.829
always do they take the ball and
they run with it as far as they can.

00:40:38.830 --> 00:40:41.379
It\'s only that Democrats
who said oh my goodness

00:40:41.380 --> 00:40:44.754
a lot of people don\'t like
me I better not do anything.

00:40:44.755 --> 00:40:47.784
Either to try to make those
people who don\'t like me happy

00:40:47.785 --> 00:40:53.199
no the Republicans they say
we\'ve got four years at least.

00:40:53.200 --> 00:40:56.769
And we\'re going to go after abortion.

00:40:56.770 --> 00:41:01.094
We\'re going to go we\'re going to do all kinds
of things for conservative Christians.

00:41:01.095 --> 00:41:05.239
We\'re going to take this
homeland security thing

00:41:05.240 --> 00:41:07.219
as far as we can we\'re
going to invade people\'s

00:41:07.220 --> 00:41:09.319
civil you know do what we
want with civil liberties.

00:41:09.320 --> 00:41:11.479
We\'re going to do what we want with

00:41:11.480 --> 00:41:17.149
so-called tort reform and all kinds
of other pro-business legal things.

00:41:17.150 --> 00:41:20.719
We\'re going to change the calorie
cut the taxes of rich people.

00:41:20.720 --> 00:41:23.404
And we\'re just gonna do that.

00:41:23.405 --> 00:41:29.314
And I think that that\'s beginning to sink
in that now that the Republicans control

00:41:29.315 --> 00:41:34.009
the White House Congress
still the majority of

00:41:34.010 --> 00:41:39.514
governorships and many state legislatures
with the Supreme Court in play

00:41:39.515 --> 00:41:44.254
I think that people are beginning
to say wait a minute here.

00:41:44.255 --> 00:41:47.644
These people are way too
conservative for us.

00:41:47.645 --> 00:41:50.374
This isn\'t what we wanted.

00:41:50.375 --> 00:41:54.739
And I think even some people who voted
for Bush may come to feel that way.

00:41:54.740 --> 00:41:56.629
It\'s a difficult period.

00:41:56.630 --> 00:42:01.654
And what surprises me is that
there isn\'t more opposition.

00:42:01.655 --> 00:42:07.069
I think it\'s partly that through probably
an accident an unhappy accident.

00:42:07.070 --> 00:42:10.819
There are no significant
leaders on the left.

00:42:10.820 --> 00:42:15.739
So we just don\'t happen to have any
good powerful magnetic people.

00:42:15.740 --> 00:42:18.889
It\'s partly because politics
is so corrupt in America.

00:42:18.890 --> 00:42:22.054
And so much an affair of
money and big business

00:42:22.055 --> 00:42:27.529
I think a lot of talented and
intelligent and dynamic people

00:42:27.530 --> 00:42:30.214
don\'t go into politics anymore.

00:42:30.215 --> 00:42:34.009
It\'s not a good field to be in
especially if you\'re on the left.

00:42:34.010 --> 00:42:36.964
It\'s just hard to get the financing to run.

00:42:36.965 --> 00:42:42.169
So anyway it seems to me very much
that there that there are lots of

00:42:42.170 --> 00:42:50.170
different leftTouches causes that are
being violated by the present government.

00:42:50.885 --> 00:42:52.579
I mean there\'s a whole array of things.

00:42:52.580 --> 00:42:57.274
The environment is being destroyed
by the Bush administration.

00:42:57.275 --> 00:43:01.219
The black affirmative action.

00:43:01.220 --> 00:43:03.769
It has been revoked.

00:43:03.770 --> 00:43:09.619
The big businesses being

00:43:09.620 --> 00:43:11.989
favored through the new tax plan and the

00:43:11.990 --> 00:43:15.364
rich are being favorite at
the expense of the poor.

00:43:15.365 --> 00:43:19.369
The anti-war movement is very strong so

00:43:19.370 --> 00:43:24.124
the gaze or certainly have no
friends in Washington right now.

00:43:24.125 --> 00:43:28.639
So it seems to me that in
every area that you could

00:43:28.640 --> 00:43:33.319
say composes the left traditionally
there are people who

00:43:33.320 --> 00:43:38.839
are watching their rights being eroded
and I think it would be natural to

00:43:38.840 --> 00:43:42.064
expect all of these groups
to come together and form

00:43:42.065 --> 00:43:46.219
a new coalition against
the Bush administration

00:43:46.220 --> 00:43:50.344
But there\'s very little press on the left.

00:43:50.345 --> 00:43:53.599
So especially in a time
of war it is important to

00:43:53.600 --> 00:43:57.319
bring out independent
voices voices of dissent.

00:43:57.320 --> 00:44:02.569
And I think that those voices don\'t
represent the marginalized fringe.

00:44:02.570 --> 00:44:05.869
They don\'t represent even
the silent majority but

00:44:05.870 --> 00:44:11.149
the silenced majority silenced
by the mainstream media.

00:44:11.150 --> 00:44:14.119
They\'re not independent systems.

00:44:14.120 --> 00:44:17.434
They\'re part of a system
of domination and power.

00:44:17.435 --> 00:44:19.489
That\'s true institutionally.

00:44:19.490 --> 00:44:21.784
That\'s true ideologically
that\'s true if they\'re

00:44:21.785 --> 00:44:24.739
cooked the cultural background
of the people who participate

00:44:24.740 --> 00:44:27.769
and the by-and-large serve that interest.

00:44:27.770 --> 00:44:29.589
So they\'re doing that Jim.

00:44:29.590 --> 00:44:32.689
And I mean if they I mean take say

00:44:32.690 --> 00:44:38.629
some concrete case and take this
famous New Europe old your business.

00:44:38.630 --> 00:44:44.659
Okay so the old old Europe which
denounces France and Germany and new

00:44:44.660 --> 00:44:51.634
Europe which is with us is Italy
and Spain and Hungary and so on.

00:44:51.635 --> 00:44:58.819
To do their job properly for media have
to point out I have to fail to point

00:44:58.820 --> 00:45:01.729
out that in Italy and Spain and

00:45:01.730 --> 00:45:06.694
Hungary opposition to the war is even
higher than it is in France and Germany.

00:45:06.695 --> 00:45:09.129
Now they have to suppress it.

00:45:09.130 --> 00:45:13.174
You know it\'s true and explain
that countries knows it\'s true.

00:45:13.175 --> 00:45:18.154
And in fact what they are what
they also have to fail to say

00:45:18.155 --> 00:45:23.989
is that all of this talk about any country
in any country at all supporting us.

00:45:23.990 --> 00:45:29.134
Anyone is just a statement
that we despise democracy.

00:45:29.135 --> 00:45:34.399
We hate it with such a passion
that we will call a leader.

00:45:34.400 --> 00:45:39.289
Berlusconi say we\'ll say he\'s
honored his countries on our side.

00:45:39.290 --> 00:45:42.634
If he is hates democracy as much as we do.

00:45:42.635 --> 00:45:48.019
And therefore he follows her murders over
the objection of 85% of its population.

00:45:48.020 --> 00:45:55.069
And that case he\'s a good guy that
expresses contempt for democracy

00:45:55.070 --> 00:45:57.949
in such a brazen form that it\'s

00:45:57.950 --> 00:46:02.209
hard to think of any counterpart
and that has to be suppressed.

00:46:02.210 --> 00:46:07.219
So occasionally you\'ll see a hint saying
well some Europeans don\'t like us.

00:46:07.220 --> 00:46:09.189
There\'s nothing but the
data aren\'t presented.

00:46:09.190 --> 00:46:12.319
And in fact the effect the extent
of suppression is impressive.

00:46:12.320 --> 00:46:17.909
And so for example take say the Gallup polls
not not an obscure organization exactly.

00:46:17.910 --> 00:46:24.750
Now Gallup International and did a
poll on Europe in the in January.

00:46:25.020 --> 00:46:30.759
And you know what resulted true and
it showed that for the war that

00:46:30.760 --> 00:46:36.774
Bush and Blair are announcing namely ruin
ourselves with a coalition of the willing.

00:46:36.775 --> 00:46:44.775
The highest support in all of Europe was
11% in Romania mostly lower than that.

00:46:45.310 --> 00:46:49.509
For most of the countries it\'s
seventy-five percent of Spain.

00:46:49.510 --> 00:46:52.104
We don\'t want to go on and
worried and the UN authorizer

00:46:52.105 --> 00:46:55.824
but for support for the war they\'re
talking about is invisible.

00:46:55.825 --> 00:47:00.129
You know a couple of people in no
Berlusconi in his cabinet maybe

00:47:00.130 --> 00:47:03.279
but and therefore so what happened to

00:47:03.280 --> 00:47:07.904
the outfall Well I\'m actually
somebody did a database search

00:47:07.905 --> 00:47:12.694
One newspaper The Christian Science
Monitor had something about it.

00:47:12.695 --> 00:47:18.000
It was mentioned in Milwaukee in general.

00:47:18.520 --> 00:47:24.529
And that\'s normal. So when right

00:47:24.530 --> 00:47:30.754
after 9-11 the wish administration was
announced and it\'s going to bomb Afghanistan.

00:47:30.755 --> 00:47:36.604
Now there was a Gallup poll asking people
about that and almost no support for it.

00:47:36.605 --> 00:47:39.439
They could then publish
it wasn\'t published in

00:47:39.440 --> 00:47:42.964
nowhere because the story
was everybody\'s porches.

00:47:42.965 --> 00:47:47.464
So the fact that nobody wants to bomb
Afghanistan he just can\'t report.

00:47:47.465 --> 00:47:50.224
And you know the most striking fact

00:47:50.225 --> 00:47:52.939
was the reaction in Latin America.

00:47:52.940 --> 00:47:57.274
Latin America has a little bit
of experience with US power.

00:47:57.275 --> 00:48:03.844
2% support in Mexico for
present in some other country.

00:48:03.845 --> 00:48:06.454
Basically nobody supported.

00:48:06.455 --> 00:48:08.134
Well you know that\'s really important.

00:48:08.135 --> 00:48:13.774
What it says is countries that felt a
little experience with their benevolent.

00:48:13.775 --> 00:48:18.379
Overwhelmingly opposed to
air Bonnie Afghanistan.

00:48:18.380 --> 00:48:21.964
But you can\'t say that because
what you have to say is we\'re

00:48:21.965 --> 00:48:25.384
noble and right and so and
so that got no publication.

00:48:25.385 --> 00:48:31.024
Actually one small notice in Omaha.
That\'s it.

00:48:31.025 --> 00:48:33.334
That\'s what the media are supposed to do.

00:48:33.335 --> 00:48:34.984
They\'re serving their purpose.

00:48:34.985 --> 00:48:42.904
You do not want to tell people our leaders and
our intellectual elite despised democracy.

00:48:42.905 --> 00:48:45.619
And we\'re supported by no
one in the world though.

00:48:45.620 --> 00:48:47.299
We\'re going to go ahead
anyway because we have

00:48:47.300 --> 00:48:50.494
the power you know I tell people that know.

00:48:50.495 --> 00:48:54.649
So which tell him is we\'re
hadn\'t humanitarian

00:48:54.650 --> 00:48:58.999
objectives and we\'re going to carry out
the liberation and so on and so forth.

00:48:59.000 --> 00:49:04.984
And of course you don\'t add that Hitler and
Mussolini said exactly the same thing.

00:49:04.985 --> 00:49:07.894
Yeah they were going to
liberate everyone and

00:49:07.895 --> 00:49:10.879
overcome ethnic cleansing
and so on and so forth.

00:49:10.880 --> 00:49:12.484
I\'m just full of nobility.

00:49:12.485 --> 00:49:16.399
And in fact there isn\'t a leader there
isn\'t a resort to violence in history.

00:49:16.400 --> 00:49:20.479
At least there hadn\'t been able to find where
the leadership didn\'t say the same thing.

00:49:20.480 --> 00:49:25.639
But you don\'t tell people that what you tell
him is we\'re doing it because we\'re angelic.

00:49:25.640 --> 00:49:29.569
And therefore support our leaders
and march to the beat of

00:49:29.570 --> 00:49:35.014
the drum and the world is with us except for
some crazy for an instrument and so on.

00:49:35.015 --> 00:49:43.015
Basically the story. There is on the
issue of Iraq and there had been

00:49:43.340 --> 00:49:47.509
these last months an incredible drum beat

00:49:47.510 --> 00:49:54.604
of manipulation by the media

00:49:54.605 --> 00:49:58.429
The syllabus that I think really is

00:49:58.430 --> 00:50:03.019
incredibly rare and at the same
time needs to be explained.

00:50:03.020 --> 00:50:06.034
Though God knows it is
difficult to explain.

00:50:06.035 --> 00:50:11.629
The full power and influence of the
media and the fact that there are

00:50:11.630 --> 00:50:16.729
so few genuine dissenting
voices that can be

00:50:16.730 --> 00:50:24.730
heard whether this be on radio on
television or in a print media.

00:50:26.890 --> 00:50:34.890
In my more mischievous moments I\'m inclined
to think that gobbles would be proud

00:50:37.145 --> 00:50:45.145
Well could be proud of the way in which the
media in the United States in particular

00:50:47.720 --> 00:50:54.469
the managed to I would almost
say control channel and

00:50:54.470 --> 00:51:01.849
above all set limits to what kind
of discussion that is admissible.

00:51:01.850 --> 00:51:06.270
In this particular moment of
the history of this republic.

00:51:18.970 --> 00:51:21.420
Okay

00:52:00.940 --> 00:52:03.240
right

00:52:54.170 --> 00:53:01.000
and so on.

00:53:27.800 --> 00:53:29.970
At

00:53:48.690 --> 00:53:51.830
Some point.

00:54:43.720 --> 00:54:46.260
Mr.

00:54:49.900 --> 00:54:52.170
Two.

00:55:32.140 --> 00:55:34.440
Okay