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Talk about all of.

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What\'s that like inside

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the

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plane right here?

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There\'s nobody I\'m the only one

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in here.

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My God.

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I\'m playing for you guys out there.

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I have no.

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So.

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His mother.

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And she\'s

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an.

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The scenes.

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It\'s my.

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He.

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But.

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If you.

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I don\'t know. I try I try not to

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hold on too tightly to any

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one belief or identity because,

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you know, after having passed

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through so many of them, I don\'t

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really, you know,

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I don\'t really expect that any any

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of them are going to stick.

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So I get too excited about it.

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Will you

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tell me your name

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and

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tell me about the origins

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of yourself as a person?

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Well, the name part\'s easy.

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That\'d be Martin\'s got building.

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Where did I come from

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born?

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International Falls, Minnesota,

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a small lumber town on the Canadian

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American border right across

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the river from Canada.

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After that, rural Alaska.

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The man had no idea

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at 18 what I want to do with my

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life, so I joined the

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Navy about two years after I joined

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the Gulf War broke out.

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And so all of a sudden we were

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headed over to the Persian Gulf and

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this was all, you know, a big

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surprise to myself

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and everybody else around me.

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They\'re probably around the world

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and spit me out in San Diego

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at the time I met

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one of a couple of people in my life

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that had a really profound influence

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on me. His name was how he

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joined his motorcycle gang about the

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time I was getting out of the

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military lasted

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a good year, year and a

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half or so.

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And then I went

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from for a number of reasons,

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sold my my Harley Davidson and

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some more suits in an hour seven and

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decided to become a stockbroker.

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While into that, it started to

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really dawn on me.

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What what a soul

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might be just due to

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its absence.

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So I got a job as a chimney sweep.

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I wouldn\'t be in this window there

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it for that guy. Oh, wow.

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Yeah, he had a profound influence on

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him. He\'s the guy that basically

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saw me playing in Oregon with a

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spare thought that was interesting,

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asked me to score a silent film that

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he had done and then started playing

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music with me and and jointly,

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we kind of learn to play music.

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Ron, do you want to be on camera?

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But meaning Marty was

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like meeting

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a person who had complete freedom?

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Yeah.

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Over the years, I think we\'ve both

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gone in those roles, right?

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It\'s like Marty is gone.

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Complete Freedom Road and I have

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gone more of a

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controlled ride.

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I remember having conversations with

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Ron about, you know, what am I going

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to do with my life now that now that

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I\'m not a chimney sweep anymore?

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He astutely pointed

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out that I was making weird things

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and people would be interested in

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it, and that it\'s possible

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to just rent a store and start

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selling it.

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He was from

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a.

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He didn\'t really understand.

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Do certain things

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that people with you.

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The interesting, you know, I fell

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in love with light, I think as much

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as anything, and so I built

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and sold lamps, a majority

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of them were probably going into

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commercial spaces such as

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cafes, restaurants, nightclubs.

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Towards the end, it was

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starting to become more successful.

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He\'s a simple person who

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has a really deep, anything

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strange vision and is

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able to

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push towards that constantly

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without being encumbered by life

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and responsibility,

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whereas we all have mortgages.

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You know, he doesn\'t have

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that. So he\'s able to push towards

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that. And I think that\'s what it\'s

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his naivete that what

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makes him appealing because we

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all really want to not have any

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responsibility, right?

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At some point.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Although there\'s some exterior.

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For me, but not for him.

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You know, I think what terrifies him

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is sedentary,

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you know, being sedentary.

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Ultimately,

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I wanted less time

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spent doing what was essentially

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making silly things for rich people,

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less people, more trees,

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access to nature.

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He\'s looking at a globe and notice

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all the green and ridges right

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in the top of California.

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It\'s like, Well, hmm,

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look at that. I mean, right there.

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So I did a little research

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online saw some pictures of a cute

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Victorian village called Eureka.

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And two months later,

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I just rented a U-Haul

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and brought home all my possessions

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and just moved up there.

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Sight unseen and started a life.

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A.

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Almost.

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Quit my job and then started

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this period of introspection, which

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ended up lasting a number of years

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and took some

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pretty bizarre turns.

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Jones.

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And.

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And.

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I think that Marty is the truest

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person I have ever and

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most everybody that I have ever met,

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I think they think he is the truest

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person if he\'s talking

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to a child or

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an 80 year old person or me

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or whatever.

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He just doesn\'t suffer any bullshit.

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You know, there\'s not any

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pretense and artificiality.

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I\'ve never really looked back.

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I mean, I mean,

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I followed what I was interested

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in, and that\'s always somehow,

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either directly or indirectly,

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certainly certainly well.

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He said a lot

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of moving trains.

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It\'s better to be blown.

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Too scared to speak.

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Scientists freight train.

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I have two say.

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And the bits.

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And the reason I don\'t

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think they saw what happened.