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The world is vain.

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The world is ungrateful.

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I have to search for the truth.
Do the opposite of what others do.

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I demand a lot from myself,
I reflect a lot, I search for the truth.

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That\'s what I was born to do,
to be a witness of the truth.

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Everything else is unimportant,
it\'s senseless.

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People get bored, they live very superficially.

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They don\'t think about the transcendental.

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I\'m very eccentric.
I do everything excessively.

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Maybe some people tell me that I\'m crazy.

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Others maybe say I’m vain.

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Others say something else...
But everyone is wrong.

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I\'m not crazy.

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But the graveyard is full of good intentions,
but people never fullfil them.

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I\'m different, I go for it.
I\'ve got myself all the way here.

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Why a cathedral, why not something else?

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I didn\'t study much,
because my mother wouldn\'t let me.

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I had to leave a vocation I chose,
because I got ill.

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But I’ve always been anxious
to serve the Church.

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And I wanted to find the right way to do it.

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It\'s an ideal, I’ve always seen it like that.

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I had the means to do it,
an inheritance, and the right qualities.

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I\'ve always wanted to serve the Church
in a way that has both a social and religious purpose.

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- But a cathedral is a very big thing.
- Very big, very ambitious.

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- There are churches, chapels.
- No, I have trust in the Lord.

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I don\'t think about how far I\'ll get.

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Three days ago I turned 94.

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On the 20th of September.

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- It\'s a very long life, isn\'t it?
- Huh?

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- Your life is very long.
- Yes, I’m bored of it already.

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My head no longer works.

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It comes and goes.
You don\'t remember anything...

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I left a tremendous example there in the monastery.

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I was harvesting outside, in the fierce heat
of a summer afternoon.

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I was very thirsty, but the monastery
was a kilometre away.

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I went to the well where cold water
came out in the summer.

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I bent down to drink,
but I remembered Christ\'s suffering and I didn\'t drink the water.

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He really liked to work.

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He was working all the time.

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But I don\'t think he integrated well
into the community.

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When you live in a community,
you have to listen to those around you.

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But when you’re stubborn
and stuck in your ways...

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...it creates tension in the community.

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Justo got sick because he didn’t eat.

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He wanted to fast a lot
and the temperatures were very low.

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And that’s how he caught a disease.

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It was something like tuberculosis, but he recovered,
because there were already medicines for curing it.

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To admit a monk into the monastery,
he must be voted in by the community.

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The community had to vote, they voted me out
and I had to obey and go home.

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Of course, I didn\'t want to leave,
but I was ill so I had to.

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But what did they tell you?

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No, they voted and the majority said that I
I had to leave there, period.

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I don\'t have to explain or answer to anyone.

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The provost took me to the train station at 3AM...

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...there in Santa María de Huerta
and I returned home.

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No, that’s it.
I carry my own vocation...

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I dreamt about it last night...

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- Was Justo\'s expulsion due to TB?
- No.

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Because that\'s what he says.

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It had nothing to do with it because it\'s
a curable disease.

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The only problem was his attitude.

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It seemed to me he didn\'t take it well.

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He didn\'t leave happy.

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When I came home people wanted to know more.

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But I was mute, I went to mass daily and
for three years I didn’t speak to anyone, including family.

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I didn’t even greet friends in the street.

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I behaved badly, I didn’t respect anyone
because I was looking for Christ.

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How did you come up with the idea of
building the cathedral?

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Well, I couldn’t be a monk.

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But I had to do something for the Creator.

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You have to live a serious life.

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If I\'m religious, I do everything for Him,
one way or another, what else?

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And on the day of Saint Pilar, which is the 12th of October,
I came here to figure out the orientation.

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Because new churches are always turned to Jerusalem.

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I started to take measurements
and make marks.

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And for me that’s the first day.

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There was nothing here before.

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Not even this wall.

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I started down in the crypt
which is this.

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And then I had to make different levels.

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And build it up.

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This is already above ground level.

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Here, look at the staircase,
I put those stones there.

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They weigh maybe 300 kilos, I had to use a machine.

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They are made of pertase, really large.

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I was going to make a basilica
like the one of San Francisco The Great.

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It\'s a circle, but I also wanted it to look like a castle.

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I made the latin cross, a dome
and the castle on the outside.

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You have to give it art, harmony, style...

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I think about all that before I start working.

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- But do you read books?
- No man, you don\'t need to.

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I have a lot of books about castles.

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But in practice I\'m a different man
from all the stuff I read.

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There are so many mistakes in those books,
I am practical.

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About fifty years ago Justo was walking down
the street carrying a pick and a basket.

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Two older men who were here, asked him:
\"Where are you going, Justo?\"

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Because it was over 40 degrees.

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And he said:
\"I\'m going to build a cathedral.\"

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And that’s how he became the “madman from the cathedral.”

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- How\'s it going?
- Wonderful!

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Justo wanted to do a thing that\'s so unusual
with no training of any kind.

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No knowledge of architecture,
he wasn\'t even a bricklayer.

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I have the tower here.

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But the general feeling in the town was:
“In four or five years this will fall down.\"

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\"And he will give up,\"
that was my impression.

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I know all about farming,
but I have no idea about architecture.

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What\'s this man up to?
Why does he want a cathedral?

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And what\'s up with a man building a cathedral?

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He\'s a very mad person.
Everyone says he\'s mad, everyone.

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- What do you think?
- I also think he\'s mad.

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The way he lives, the way he speaks,
it makes him mad.

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I think he\'s been making
a fool out of himself for his whole life.

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Because he\'ll never finish it.

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Because that cathedral,
if you can call it a cathedral...

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...needs an investment of 300 million pesetas.

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I was very struck by how
everything looked like chaos.

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Faith.

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I believe... We believe...

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God... Comes... To meet... Man...

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Justo\'s father died when he was very young.

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And he had to take responsibilty of the man
in the family.

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He had to leave school at the age of 11.

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We have to cover this part.

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And then there are three plus seven...

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That makes ten, right?

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Is three plus seven ten?

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Yes, three plus seven equals ten.

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Seven, eight, nine, ten... Yes.

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Our father died when we were very young.

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I was 12, and he was 2 years younger,
we were three siblings.

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And he had to replace our father.

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We had lands and mules and we were farming.

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And Justo and my mother had to work the hardest.

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We have to bend this one.

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You can\'t build a cathedral,
or not even a house...

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...without complex calculations,
and without studies in architecture.

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But Justo has no education of any kind,
not even primary school.

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So finding a human explanation for the building...

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...seems to me even more difficult than
finding a supernatural one.

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How good!

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Worked out so well, I have an eye for it!

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Just using his hand and a tube.

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It\'s a record!

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A record, with one hand and one tube!

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We need to correct it a bit.

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I never had money,
I\'ve had to look for things to build with.

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I’m always trying to save money,
I don\'t like to spend money.

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I sold my lands, I had 40 thousand metres here
and some people are still paying me.

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I built a village down there, with 500 neighbours.
I gave people land and they built houses and things.

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Our father left us some land.

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He invested it in the cathedral,
and it\'s been his calling ever since.

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There was work he couldn\'t really do alone.

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So he told people from the village:
\"If you help me out, I will give you a plot of land.\"

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And that way he gave away a lot of his land.

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A cathedral is a huge thing.

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It requires a massive amount of resources.

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Justo soon ran into problems with obtaining materials
to continue the construction process.

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It\'s surprising how a lot of people
started voluntarily helping him.

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They gave him leftover materials
which they had no use for.

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At that time, the concept of ecology
wasn\'t as developed as it is today.

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And yet he was already practicing it.

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I\'ve always used scraps,
because people throw so much away.

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I take all that wealth
and then don\'t really need money.

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If I had done whatever I wanted...

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...I would have bought a Mercedes,
as a cousin of mine said.

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“Come on, buy yourself a Mercedes.\"

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No, sir, I live off what people give me,
I love poverty!

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They don\'t understand me, because I love poverty.

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The poor possess a treasure.

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But the majority of what we earn
goes on the superfluous, on luxury.

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Because only a few things in life
are really necessary.

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Someone arrived once with a box full
of 500 old tennis balls.

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The normal thing is to say:
“These are useless, this guy is just dumping stuff here.”

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And throw them out as trash.

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\"No, no,” Justo said.
\"They\'ll be useful for something.\"

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He cut a hole in the balls,
filled them with cement...

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...and then he put a pole in the opening.

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So when the cement dried, he cut
the ball away and he had a concrete sphere.

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And all those spheres that decorate
the cornice of the cathedral…

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...those are the 500 tennis balls.

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No one would have predicted
they could be used for something.

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He\'s able to give life to things
that no longer have it.

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That\'s also very connected to Christianity.

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Justo has always lived like that.
\"I have this, how can I build with it?\"

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All the arches are bent springs.

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This is super clever.

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Yes, this is very good,
it will come out beautifully.

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Because the angle is ugly,
but this will be good.

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I bought this iron for cheap,
I saved maybe half a million.

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This spring, which is imperfect
and is difficult to work with...

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...I fill with concrete and it holds it in place.
I make use of everything!

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The perfect spring doesn\'t work for me,
but this one does, because I fill it.

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God has created wonders with circles.

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The Sun and the Moon are circular.

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The eye is round and it\'s beautiful.

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The circle is from God,
but the angle is the Devil\'s doing.

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The contemporary architect is more about the planning,
and then workers do the building.

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Modern architects don’t even need to touch their buildings.

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But Justo is an artist who needs to interact with his creation
and make love with his materials.

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In that he’s like a Rodin or a Michelangelo.

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This part could be all white.

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And this I have to break up.

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Because he doesn\'t lay bricks,
he rebuilds bricks anew.

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He\'s always innovating.

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And I think he\'s innovating
because he has inner freedom.

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The coloured ones are for the floor
and then you make circles.

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And this is Carrara.

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This is from Italy.

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I\'ll break it up, of course,
and I\'ll cut it.

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It has to go like this.

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Always with its line, tight.

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And a very good marble can be made.

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And here another one, you have to
look for one like this...

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- Gaudí also did this, a little bit.
- Yes, but Gaudí...

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Gaudí used tiles, mosaics.
I don\'t like that at all!

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Marble is better.

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- Do you like Picasso and art like that?
- No, no, no, man!

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I went to the National Museum of Art, here in Spain,
and I couldn’t find anything of value there.

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And I told people there:
\"What’s all this, man?\"

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It means nothing to me,
I didn\'t like any of it, nothing at all!

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- And an architect like Gaudí?
- Gaudí?

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- I don\'t remember, who was he?
- He was the architect of the Sagrada Familia.

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Gaudí? The Sagrada Familia?

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- Yes...
- In Barcelona?

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Absolute garbage! All of it!

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So many towers, so many spires...
The towers are here and then they go up there.

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It\'s all garbage.

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- Why?
- I don\'t like it, it\'s overdone.

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It’s worthless.

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Because he made art out of nature
and it’s just a big mess…

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It’s not worth anything at all, it\'s worthless.

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Well, what am I going to tell you?
It’s pretty big, obviously.

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It measures 50 by 20 metres.

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And with the dome it will be 35 metres high, I think.

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I have four choirs,
you can see three over there.

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There is a shrine over there, there in the front.

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For Jesus of Nazareth.

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Now I have to make an altar with pillars.

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This construction looks incredible,
and very perfect at the same time.

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Well, perfect, no.
Everything is imperfect.

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But the dome yes, the dome is perfect.

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- And what will be on top of the towers?
- One of the towers is finished already.

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These ten are missing their domes.

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But the big ones are supposed to go up 30 more metres.

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- Thirty?
- Yes, thirty more, it\'s like the Tower of Pisa, now.

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There\'s a lot left to do.
But it\'s very beautiful.

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So this part is going to be a monastery
for a lot of people?

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Yes, here it seems that the bishop
Don Manuel told me it could be a small seminary.

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Because here I have four potential houses.

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I have a library up there.

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- For how many monks is it?
- No, not monks, it\'s for the bishop.

00:33:16.440 --> 00:33:23.000
This is for the bishopric. It\'s a parish,
but it would also be a seminary.

00:33:30.480 --> 00:33:34.600
I can\'t just donate it to the Church
because then they could change it.

00:33:34.600 --> 00:33:39.640
It\'s better to leave it in a testament,
so that I can build my way.

00:33:39.640 --> 00:33:42.480
But it has to go to the Church in the end.

00:33:42.480 --> 00:33:45.480
What’s been the Church’s reaction?

00:33:45.480 --> 00:33:48.920
The Church hasn’t really said anything, they\'re silent.

00:33:48.920 --> 00:33:52.240
They can\'t really give me money.

00:33:52.240 --> 00:33:57.640
- Don\'t they want to?
- No, it’s just that they have no money.

00:34:02.880 --> 00:34:06.120
But do you feel accepted by them?

00:34:08.800 --> 00:34:13.240
Obviously, the testament is written,
they have to accept it.

00:34:13.240 --> 00:34:17.440
In fact they\'ve already accepted it,
according to the Bishop.

00:34:17.440 --> 00:34:24.280
There seems to be a testament,
but we haven\'t received it yet.

00:34:24.280 --> 00:34:32.520
And, as you know, a person can make as many testaments
as they like up until the last moment of their life.

00:34:33.920 --> 00:34:38.120
We also don\'t actually know Don Justo\'s wishes.

00:34:38.120 --> 00:34:44.000
But we believe he wants to leave it to the
diocese of Alcala de Henares.

00:34:45.800 --> 00:34:51.680
Then the diocese,
and its Council of Bishops will decide...

00:34:51.680 --> 00:34:59.200
...whether it will accept the donation
of the building Don Justo is working on.

00:35:07.880 --> 00:35:11.440
Nowadays there are many religions.

00:35:11.440 --> 00:35:17.680
Many of them are sects, of course.
Others just broke off from the Church.

00:35:20.320 --> 00:35:25.400
No Mohammed, no Jehova,
no Evangelicals...

00:35:25.400 --> 00:35:29.120
...no Mormons, no Anglicans from England.

00:35:29.120 --> 00:35:33.920
These are sects!
They are branches that have left the Church.

00:35:33.920 --> 00:35:37.720
The Anglicans left the Church.

00:35:37.720 --> 00:35:40.680
The Russian Orthodox Church, the same.

00:35:40.680 --> 00:35:46.240
It is only the Pope, the Pope and the Pope.
He’s infallible.

00:35:49.840 --> 00:35:56.240
The world\'s a bad place, I went to Madrid
and saw a kiosk selling pictures of naked people.

00:35:56.240 --> 00:36:02.800
And I wanted to make a fire and burn it all down,
apart from the seller.

00:36:02.800 --> 00:36:08.800
And I would go to the beaches with sulphur and gasoline
and I’d burn them down.

00:36:08.800 --> 00:36:12.560
It\'s immoral!
And people want justice!

00:36:12.560 --> 00:36:15.200
But what justice?

00:36:16.440 --> 00:36:21.760
The dances, the discos, that\'s Devil\'s work
and should be burnt down.

00:36:21.760 --> 00:36:25.120
It\'s pagan. It\'s darkness.

00:36:26.360 --> 00:36:30.160
As a Catholic, I have to be authentic.

00:36:30.160 --> 00:36:37.960
When I watch a soccer match, I never see all of it,
and I ask God to forgive me for watching it.

00:36:37.960 --> 00:36:41.200
Because for me, it\'s idolatry.

00:36:41.200 --> 00:36:45.040
A man can\'t sell a football player
for five thousand millions.

00:36:45.040 --> 00:36:46.640
That\'s paganism.

00:36:46.640 --> 00:36:49.120
Which team do you support?

00:36:49.120 --> 00:36:51.680
Real Madrid, man.

00:36:51.680 --> 00:36:54.760
Yes, I always want them to win.

00:37:06.200 --> 00:37:11.640
It seems unbelievable now, but he was moving
a lot of material back then.

00:37:11.880 --> 00:37:16.400
And the kids were helping him,
he said: \"One peseta, for each wheelbarrow.\"

00:37:16.400 --> 00:37:19.400
Go right, right, up here.

00:37:29.360 --> 00:37:33.640
Justo give work to these guys,
they are just waiting around!

00:37:33.640 --> 00:37:35.480
Keep going!

00:38:05.920 --> 00:38:10.000
Be careful, you could fall down, boys!

00:38:11.440 --> 00:38:14.600
He looks like a monkey.

00:38:14.600 --> 00:38:16.760
My hands are so dirty.

00:38:17.400 --> 00:38:19.240
Are you coming?

00:38:19.240 --> 00:38:20.760
Where?

00:38:21.440 --> 00:38:23.840
Do you want to party in the cathedral?

00:38:23.840 --> 00:38:30.280
Let\'s go, let\'s go to party, let\'s go, let\'s go to party...

00:38:34.120 --> 00:38:38.240
- Son of a bitch!
- Boy, get down from there!

00:38:38.240 --> 00:38:39.800
- Down.
- Let\'s go up.

00:38:39.800 --> 00:38:42.440
Pull it up, pull it up, here it goes!

00:38:42.440 --> 00:38:45.760
Coward! I\'m going up.

00:38:47.760 --> 00:38:51.960
Don\'t hit me with the stone, or I\'ll go higher!

00:38:51.960 --> 00:38:55.560
You can’t go up, it’s closed, come down!

00:38:55.560 --> 00:38:57.800
Just climb up!

00:38:59.280 --> 00:39:00.640
Come on.

00:39:02.840 --> 00:39:06.440
Now it\'s the same!

00:39:06.440 --> 00:39:10.720
You can\'t go up there without my permission!

00:39:11.120 --> 00:39:15.040
I kept telling you to come down!

00:39:15.560 --> 00:39:21.120
These guys smoke a lot of weed,
they spend a lot of money on bad things.

00:39:21.120 --> 00:39:23.840
They have no ideals.

00:39:24.360 --> 00:39:30.120
They only come to make money,
they don\'t do it for the ideal.

00:39:38.880 --> 00:39:42.560
What a nice day.
It\'s warm here!

00:39:42.560 --> 00:39:46.000
Very good, this is marvellous!

00:39:57.440 --> 00:40:02.200
Ah, how badly this guy painted it yesterday.

00:40:03.800 --> 00:40:08.720
When he sees what I\'ve painted
he will get a fright.

00:40:13.280 --> 00:40:15.360
And here...

00:40:22.600 --> 00:40:27.880
What a lazy rascal, how could
he have left it like this.

00:40:28.840 --> 00:40:31.120
Terrible!

00:40:33.040 --> 00:40:35.760
What a rascal...

00:40:37.480 --> 00:40:41.520
I\'ve got myself into a better position than he did...

00:40:49.440 --> 00:40:53.120
So bad!
How’s he done such a bad job?

00:40:53.480 --> 00:40:55.160
How awful!

00:40:55.160 --> 00:40:57.280
And he was here all morning...

00:40:59.400 --> 00:41:06.840
I\'m sure I\'ll paint more in a few minutes
than he managed in a whole morning!

00:41:08.040 --> 00:41:10.560
What a rascal!

00:41:15.680 --> 00:41:19.880
In a way he builds intuitively.

00:41:19.880 --> 00:41:24.000
And for certain jobs he hires people.

00:41:24.240 --> 00:41:28.640
He observes them as they work
and learns that way.

00:41:29.160 --> 00:41:34.240
He observes a welder, learns,
and doesn\'t need a welder anymore.

00:41:49.000 --> 00:41:51.480
I don\'t need many people to build the cathedral.

00:41:51.480 --> 00:41:55.520
If I had money I\'d have technical people, but very few.

00:41:55.520 --> 00:41:59.480
When there are many people
there’s too much arguing.

00:41:59.480 --> 00:42:03.760
You have to attend to everything,
and things get done badly.

00:42:03.760 --> 00:42:09.560
I could rest more which would be good,
I could supervise things better.

00:42:09.560 --> 00:42:13.880
Because this way it’s impossible to finish everything.

00:42:14.200 --> 00:42:17.560
It\'s impossible.
I want something...

00:42:17.560 --> 00:42:22.880
…but the people don’t do it because
they don’t understand my explanation.

00:42:22.880 --> 00:42:26.720
For example with the dome,
there was a very handy guy from Guadalajara.

00:42:26.720 --> 00:42:30.840
He encouraged me to start the dome
because I had doubts.

00:42:30.840 --> 00:42:34.720
He started, and he\'s very good,
but when he finished I said...

00:42:34.720 --> 00:42:39.720
\"Angel, look, you did it wrong.\"
And he said, \"Oh no!\"

00:42:39.720 --> 00:42:44.720
And he\'s very good, he knows a lot.
He’s really wonderful!

00:42:50.000 --> 00:42:54.280
I met Justo because I moved to Mejorada.

00:42:54.280 --> 00:42:59.960
One day I went to see the cathedral
and I met him there.

00:42:59.960 --> 00:43:06.720
He was working on a wall bracket
and asked me what I\'d change.

00:43:10.280 --> 00:43:16.960
And I told him to weld them instead of
catching them with the wires.

00:43:16.960 --> 00:43:20.240
So I gave him a hand.

00:43:20.240 --> 00:43:24.680
I asked whether I could help again,
and he said, \"yes, whenever you want.\"

00:43:24.680 --> 00:43:27.080
And that\'s how it started, little by little.

00:43:27.080 --> 00:43:30.840
I started with him and because
I enjoy doing all this stuff...

00:43:30.840 --> 00:43:35.760
...I would come here after work to help him.

00:43:38.520 --> 00:43:42.080
What time is it?
What time is it, Angel?

00:43:45.800 --> 00:43:47.080
12:30.

00:43:48.840 --> 00:43:52.760
- How are you?
- Do you need Justo for anything?

00:43:52.760 --> 00:43:58.000
We just want to record him.
But he doesn\'t need to talk.

00:43:58.000 --> 00:44:00.360
No, you don\'t need to talk.

00:44:00.360 --> 00:44:04.880
You sit down and they\'ll record you,
but you don\'t have to talk at all.

00:44:05.080 --> 00:44:08.320
How many people worked on the dome?

00:44:08.640 --> 00:44:11.120
Well, the dome… Justo?

00:44:11.120 --> 00:44:13.120
How many people worked on the roof?

00:44:13.120 --> 00:44:19.840
Well, there were three or four of us,
but practically you and me alone.

00:44:19.840 --> 00:44:22.160
Because the others were scared.

00:44:22.160 --> 00:44:24.320
And I get it, you know?

00:44:24.320 --> 00:44:25.600
I understand.

00:44:36.400 --> 00:44:41.680
I wanted to imitate the Vatican.

00:44:41.680 --> 00:44:45.360
Obviously, it\'s smaller but more or less
taken from the Vatican.

00:44:45.360 --> 00:44:51.200
It has a drum here and
has a six-meter dome...

00:44:51.200 --> 00:44:55.360
...with a lantern on top, with another drum.

00:44:55.360 --> 00:45:01.520
So, on a smaller scale, I have tried to
to make the dome look like the Vatican.

00:45:02.440 --> 00:45:07.680
Once I had the scaffolding
I started working with this pulley system.

00:45:07.680 --> 00:45:13.000
Everything was lifted up here this way,
without a crane, all manually.

00:45:13.000 --> 00:45:18.080
With this pulley I did everything,
I have four or five of these.

00:46:29.920 --> 00:46:31.880
I’ve done everything with joy.

00:46:31.880 --> 00:46:36.920
Everything worked out really well,
there were never any accidents.

00:46:36.920 --> 00:46:41.200
And it’s been dangerous at times…
So what can I say?

00:46:41.200 --> 00:46:44.960
Thanks to Christ, here we are.

00:46:44.960 --> 00:46:48.480
Without a project and here we are.

00:46:55.200 --> 00:46:58.480
He\'s never taken safety precautions.

00:47:00.280 --> 00:47:05.360
I\'ve never seen him in a harness or
tied to something...

00:47:06.840 --> 00:47:11.640
It\'s really striking that nothing ever happened to him.

00:47:35.880 --> 00:47:44.040
The other day part of the roof fell off,
and it was so dangerous they closed the street.

00:47:50.960 --> 00:47:55.840
Imagine how windy it was up there,
it\'s not been so windy here for years.

00:47:55.840 --> 00:48:03.960
And yet, the guy is up there holding parts of the roof...
It was terrifying to watch.

00:48:20.800 --> 00:48:27.720
The cathedral was built on the fly,
and bit by bit it began taking on a life of its own.

00:48:27.720 --> 00:48:38.200
And evidently Justo has ignored the legal formalities
that any construction requires for it to be built legally.

00:48:43.200 --> 00:48:51.040
As time passed, something that didn\'t seem important at first,
became vitally important.

00:48:51.040 --> 00:48:58.480
At the moment the cathedral exists in a position of a-legality.

00:48:58.480 --> 00:49:05.200
No administration knows how to deal with it.

00:49:08.960 --> 00:49:11.000
Even a fool can do it.

00:49:11.000 --> 00:49:17.000
If you tell me I need a certain quantity of cement,
I always use less.

00:49:17.000 --> 00:49:24.560
I use half of it.
And I’ve made it stronger, no problem.

00:49:36.560 --> 00:49:40.400
Put it in, a little bit in there, okay.

00:49:40.400 --> 00:49:43.040
Hold still, come on, without it going up.

00:49:43.040 --> 00:49:48.080
But of course we don’t know what knowledge
Justo has or doesn’t have.

00:49:48.080 --> 00:49:53.640
We just know that he has no formal training in
architecture and suchlike.

00:49:56.160 --> 00:49:58.880
So, do we trust him, or not?

00:50:21.080 --> 00:50:27.280
When he passes away,
they might demolish the cathedral.

00:50:27.280 --> 00:50:33.160
I’ve seen what it says on the city plans.
They say it’s a ruin.

00:50:51.200 --> 00:50:54.880
Justo should live somewhere else.

00:50:55.320 --> 00:50:58.960
Because many times he\'s tried
to get help from people...

00:50:58.960 --> 00:51:05.440
...but I think in this place he won\'t ever
receive the support he needs.

00:51:10.720 --> 00:51:16.480
Many of the people he gave lands to,
didn\'t help him in the end.

00:51:16.480 --> 00:51:21.880
They went once and never came back,
very many people swindled him in this way.

00:51:21.880 --> 00:51:25.160
He lost a lot of money that way.

00:51:33.800 --> 00:51:38.440
What\'s the relationship between Don Justo and his cathedral?

00:51:38.440 --> 00:51:42.000
Very close, because for me she\'s my wife.

00:51:42.000 --> 00:51:47.040
So the relationship is very close.
We cannot be separated.

00:51:48.840 --> 00:51:52.800
So what does the word love mean to you?

00:51:52.800 --> 00:51:57.720
Love is service to others.
Not the fleeting love on TV...

00:51:57.720 --> 00:52:04.200
\"I love you more than yesterday, but less than tomorrow,\"
those are tales and fables.

00:52:29.120 --> 00:52:35.000
I believe there was a turning point,
which was the famous TV commercial...

00:52:35.000 --> 00:52:42.240
...done by a powerful beverage brand, which used
the cathedral and Justo for a nationwide campaign.

00:53:01.560 --> 00:53:04.840
These are from back then.

00:53:04.840 --> 00:53:08.040
That\'s how it was, already quite developed.

00:53:08.360 --> 00:53:16.320
Justo started as an idea when we asked agencies
to come up with the next Aquarius campaign.

00:53:16.320 --> 00:53:19.480
The previous campaign was a success.

00:53:19.480 --> 00:53:26.160
We stopped talk about the product,
but about how human beings could do wonderful things.

00:53:26.160 --> 00:53:31.720
And the agency brought us a case of a man
who was building a cathedral in Mejorada del Campo.

00:53:31.720 --> 00:53:34.040
At first I took it as a joke.

00:53:34.040 --> 00:53:39.000
\"No, that\'s impossible, I live in Madrid,
I would know about the cathedral.\"

00:53:39.000 --> 00:53:44.480
But they showed me some things online,
that it was in the MoMA in New York.

00:53:44.480 --> 00:53:48.040
And that people outside of Spain knew him.

00:53:48.040 --> 00:53:51.080
So I started to take it seriously.

00:53:51.080 --> 00:53:57.720
And we went to see Justo himself,
because we wanted him for the next Aquarius commercial.

00:54:06.080 --> 00:54:09.520
Well, we met a very interesting man.

00:54:15.040 --> 00:54:20.720
At first he was mistrustful and said:
\"I don\'t like this advertisement stuff.\"

00:54:20.720 --> 00:54:25.360
I said it was a TV commercial,
and he said, \"No, I don\'t watch TV.\"

00:54:26.520 --> 00:54:31.960
This man didn\'t want to be famous,
he didn\'t want to make money.

00:54:31.960 --> 00:54:34.280
He didn\'t want anything.

00:54:36.080 --> 00:54:42.520
We sold him the commercial on the idea that
it would make his story famous...

00:54:42.520 --> 00:54:48.400
...and that this would help his cathedral to survive.

00:55:01.360 --> 00:55:06.400
Most advertising campaigns are forgotten
after three months.

00:55:06.680 --> 00:55:12.760
The fact that people still remember Justo\'s commercial
means it was really exceptional.

00:55:17.440 --> 00:55:25.120
Justo Gallego has been building a cathedral for 40 years,
with no support of any kind.

00:55:25.240 --> 00:55:31.520
What I\'ve achieved after 40 years
is due to the relentlessness of my faith.

00:55:32.360 --> 00:55:35.080
Today he\'s known all over the world.

00:55:35.080 --> 00:55:39.040
His work\'s been exhibited in the MoMa
and has thousands of fans.

00:55:39.040 --> 00:55:42.920
Isn\'t it marvellous?
Humans are unpredictable.

00:55:42.920 --> 00:55:44.040
You bet!

00:55:45.840 --> 00:55:48.040
It is the Aquarius era.

00:55:58.720 --> 00:56:02.240
When they told me he hasn\'t asked for a specific sum...

00:56:02.240 --> 00:56:08.080
...I said I wanted him to be paid as much as
a famous footballer from Madrid or Barcelona.

00:56:08.080 --> 00:56:12.560
In that sense the sum he received was generous.

00:56:18.880 --> 00:56:23.880
Perhaps the origin of the idea
and the message was lost on the way.

00:56:26.400 --> 00:56:31.840
The slogan wasn\'t:
\"What a man is capable doing for his faith.\"

00:56:31.840 --> 00:56:40.440
Instead it was:
\"What a man, with a faith in himself, can achieve.\"

00:56:48.080 --> 00:56:53.520
But if we take out the religious aspect of Justo,
we cease to understand him.

00:57:39.280 --> 00:57:44.120
When I went to see him last year he surprised me.

00:57:44.120 --> 00:57:52.120
Because when I greeted him he replied:
\"What a mess you got me into with this Aquarius thing!\"

00:58:55.080 --> 00:59:00.600
After the success of the commercial,
buses full of people started coming.

00:59:01.560 --> 00:59:07.600
And those people wanted to talk to Justo.
Ask him questions, take photos with him.

00:59:08.880 --> 00:59:11.360
And that started to wear him down.

00:59:11.360 --> 00:59:16.400
A man whose vocation was a reclusive life of
contemplation in a monastery...

00:59:16.400 --> 00:59:20.080
Without permission you can\'t
use that machine here!

00:59:20.080 --> 00:59:28.720
The last thing he wants is having photos of him taken
and repeating the same thing to everyone.

00:59:28.720 --> 00:59:32.480
If you want to be here,
put it away!

00:59:32.480 --> 00:59:34.640
You too!

00:59:34.640 --> 00:59:37.920
You have to ask for permission!

00:59:40.160 --> 00:59:47.000
So he started working in more isolated parts
so that people don\'t disturb him.

01:00:00.200 --> 01:00:01.120
No, no.

01:00:03.360 --> 01:00:04.400
Delete it.

01:00:04.400 --> 01:00:06.600
- Don\'t worry...
- Delete, delete it.

01:00:06.600 --> 01:00:08.280
What a nerve you have.

01:00:08.280 --> 01:00:12.440
- No.
- You are very fat. You have no shame!

01:00:13.560 --> 01:00:16.720
- Of course!
- I didn\'t mean any harm...

01:00:16.720 --> 01:00:22.040
Yeah, right! Your lack of manners is a disgrace!

01:00:22.040 --> 01:00:25.240
- I wanted to ask...
- No asking!

01:00:29.960 --> 01:00:35.040
Hit it, give this a hammering.

01:00:35.040 --> 01:00:38.880
- What was it before?
- It was given to us by a man...

01:00:38.880 --> 01:00:44.400
But why do you want to destroy it?

01:00:44.400 --> 01:00:48.800
Hold it, farther!

01:00:49.600 --> 01:00:52.200
Come on, break it!

01:00:52.440 --> 01:00:54.680
I see that he has changed.

01:00:54.680 --> 01:01:00.720
Why? I am not a psychologist to judge it,
but he\'s changed.

01:01:00.880 --> 01:01:03.000
No! You stay still!

01:01:03.520 --> 01:01:04.920
Shut up!

01:01:05.200 --> 01:01:06.480
Hit it!

01:01:07.000 --> 01:01:09.280
Come on, man!

01:01:09.600 --> 01:01:14.120
This man\'s always been involved in his church,
and that\'s it.

01:01:14.120 --> 01:01:19.120
But lately he\'s had some moments
that weren\'t in keeping with those values.

01:01:19.120 --> 01:01:22.280
I think it might be the people he\'s with.

01:01:22.280 --> 01:01:24.680
You\'re going to hurt yourself!

01:01:25.440 --> 01:01:26.680
It\'s glass!

01:01:28.720 --> 01:01:30.400
I\'ll do it.

01:01:43.920 --> 01:01:50.520
Justo is 94 years old, and you can clearly see
that he\'s gradually fading away.

01:01:51.520 --> 01:01:56.760
When Justo passes away,
what will become of the cathedral?

01:01:57.520 --> 01:02:01.880
It’s illegal - so we destroy it?
That would be a crime.

01:02:01.880 --> 01:02:04.680
It would be a crime to destroy it.

01:02:04.680 --> 01:02:11.040
I think the construction should stop
and it should be preserved in its present state.

01:02:11.040 --> 01:02:15.400
I would not consider further construction.

01:02:27.200 --> 01:02:31.840
The people who are coming now are from UNESCO.

01:02:31.840 --> 01:02:38.440
- It\'s an organisation that has lots of resources.
- Yes, I know this already.

01:02:38.440 --> 01:02:46.440
They want to look at everything,
to see how they can collaborate with us.

01:02:46.440 --> 01:02:50.200
No one can do this, only the Divine Providence.

01:02:52.960 --> 01:03:01.440
On January 16, 2020 our delegation from the UNESCO Center
attended a working meeting.

01:03:01.440 --> 01:03:06.720
A working meeting with the objective
of considering whether...

01:03:06.720 --> 01:03:12.640
...the Cathedral of Mejorada could be declared
a site of Cultural Interest.

01:03:12.640 --> 01:03:14.720
- I wish you…
- But for him.

01:03:14.720 --> 01:03:16.720
- No, for you...
- And for thy neighbour!

01:03:16.720 --> 01:03:22.680
- I wish you a few more years of life.
- Only if it\'s God\'s will.

01:03:22.680 --> 01:03:28.440
God wills what he wants,
but I wish you a few more years of life.

01:03:28.440 --> 01:03:35.080
What would you want for your cathedral
after your passing?

01:03:35.080 --> 01:03:39.760
But I\'ve been explaining to Angel...
The dome...

01:03:39.760 --> 01:03:43.680
Do you know what the dome is?
It\'s 50 metres high...

01:03:43.680 --> 01:03:48.120
The danger there, are the gusts of wind
coming from the side.

01:03:48.120 --> 01:03:53.840
I am telling you, there are eight pillars all in that area.

01:03:53.840 --> 01:03:58.080
- Yes, but what do you want me to...
- No, let me explain.

01:03:58.080 --> 01:04:02.960
Then it all needs to be reinforced.

01:04:02.960 --> 01:04:08.040
Because the wind can blow the dome away.

01:04:08.040 --> 01:04:14.040
- What would you like UNESCO to do for your cathedral?
- Is that easy?

01:04:14.040 --> 01:04:19.000
I can\'t ask for anything,
I leave it up to the Divine Providence.

01:04:19.000 --> 01:04:26.240
Would you allow an architect to come
to consolidate and complete your work?

01:04:26.240 --> 01:04:29.880
If I\'m going to die, well, sure…

01:04:29.880 --> 01:04:34.520
- Of course...
- But I couldn\'t get involved in that stuff...

01:04:34.520 --> 01:04:38.360
Do you give us the go-ahead or not?

01:04:38.360 --> 01:04:41.960
- We\'ve tried to make a foundation.
- Yes.

01:04:41.960 --> 01:04:45.800
And there have already been 12, I think, or less.

01:04:45.800 --> 01:04:50.840
And when they said: \"I have an architect, I have that…\"

01:04:50.840 --> 01:04:56.600
- I told them: \"Nothing is being done.\"
- Justo but he\'s asking if...

01:04:56.600 --> 01:05:01.320
Well, I\'ll tell you now that, that thing...

01:05:01.320 --> 01:05:07.840
The cathedral is so well built, it can be full of people
and nothing will happen.

01:05:07.840 --> 01:05:13.000
Now, the wind, yes, that’s dangerous.

01:05:13.000 --> 01:05:16.960
Yes, it\'s something that needs solving.

01:05:16.960 --> 01:05:21.640
But don\'t touch the pillars,
because you will ruin them.

01:05:21.640 --> 01:05:24.640
- They are not to be touched.
- Listen to me...

01:05:24.640 --> 01:05:26.280
And the crypt!

01:05:26.280 --> 01:05:33.480
It has concrete foundations, all reinforced.

01:05:33.480 --> 01:05:36.800
I don\'t think he was aware of who he was talking to.

01:05:36.800 --> 01:05:42.680
He definitely didn\'t recognise me
as the head of UNESCO Center Madrid.

01:05:48.600 --> 01:05:55.480
When I went they informed us that the cathedral
was built without planning permission.

01:05:59.160 --> 01:06:02.960
It was built without any project or plan.

01:06:02.960 --> 01:06:11.160
And it was built by a man with no knowledge
of the construction of civil or religious buildings.

01:06:12.440 --> 01:06:19.080
It\'s a building constructed with materials
of poor or low quality.

01:06:19.080 --> 01:06:28.800
UNESCO cannot accept a building that would be of tourist interest
with all these legal problems.

01:06:30.480 --> 01:06:34.760
I am staying on the sidelines.

01:06:34.760 --> 01:06:38.600
The truth is he has donated it to me.

01:06:38.600 --> 01:06:43.120
But as long as he is alive I respect him in everything.

01:06:43.360 --> 01:06:50.200
But it will be very important to consider
what happens next.

01:06:50.200 --> 01:06:52.360
That\'s the thing.

01:06:52.360 --> 01:06:57.160
We have to be aware of the fact
that this needs a solution .

01:06:57.160 --> 01:07:03.000
It can\'t stay like this,
lots of visitors come here.

01:07:03.640 --> 01:07:08.760
- Yes, but if they like it...
- But they are afraid.

01:07:08.760 --> 01:07:12.000
They don\'t know whether it\'s safe.

01:07:12.000 --> 01:07:14.600
- OK, let’s go.
- Yeah, sure.

01:07:14.600 --> 01:07:16.040
My pleasure.

01:07:16.040 --> 01:07:20.600
- Let\'s hope everything works out.
- See you next time.

01:08:29.600 --> 01:08:33.160
- Come on, let’s go.
- It’s open.

01:08:35.280 --> 01:08:45.640
I will be satisfied when the cathedral becomes
what Justo has always wanted it to be.

01:08:45.640 --> 01:08:49.920
That a Holy Mass is celebrated here.

01:09:07.040 --> 01:09:10.600
What\'s necessary for it to become a place of religious worship?

01:09:10.600 --> 01:09:15.960
That the owner of the property donates it to the Church.

01:09:15.960 --> 01:09:19.920
And that the Church accepts it.

01:09:30.400 --> 01:09:35.120
This is a very important and necessary agreement.

01:09:36.080 --> 01:09:41.600
Because to give it to the Church
there are certain conditions Justo has to respect.

01:09:41.600 --> 01:09:46.600
And to receive it,
the Church has to consider many aspects.

01:09:48.080 --> 01:09:51.720
Among others, the pastoral purpose of it.

01:09:51.720 --> 01:09:57.040
Is it really necessary to have another parish
in Mejorada del Campo?

01:09:57.040 --> 01:10:03.800
Can it accomodate the faithful,
does it conforms to the security measures?

01:10:07.000 --> 01:10:12.040
If I have 300 people attending a Mass,
and an accident happens inside...

01:10:12.040 --> 01:10:15.000
...the Catholic Church will be held responsible.

01:10:15.000 --> 01:10:21.640
These are the different aspects that need to be fulfilled
for it to become a real cathedral.

01:10:21.640 --> 01:10:25.920
And for these reasons I don\'t think it will happen.

01:12:38.720 --> 01:12:44.920
Mensajeros de la Paz is an NGO that has Catholic roots,
but it\'s a civil association.

01:12:46.520 --> 01:12:54.160
Justo, seeing that he won\'t be able to finish it,
reached out to us for help.

01:12:54.160 --> 01:13:03.680
So that we help with the future of the cathedral
and with finishing it.

01:13:09.320 --> 01:13:12.400
The Catholic Church has to be up to date.

01:13:12.400 --> 01:13:19.360
Now there are many religious communities
and it\'s become more difficult to engage people.

01:13:19.360 --> 01:13:23.480
But nothing is impossible,
even if it is difficult.

01:13:23.480 --> 01:13:27.880
The ideal is to create a community,
but not only of Catholics.

01:13:27.880 --> 01:13:33.440
But also of Hindus, evangelicals
and other religions.

01:13:52.520 --> 01:13:55.560
Let\'s go see Justo now.

01:14:04.720 --> 01:14:10.480
We\'ve renovated his rooms
to make them a bit nicer.

01:14:10.480 --> 01:14:15.080
- Hello.
- Hello, good morning, Padre Angel.

01:14:15.080 --> 01:14:19.080
- So let\'s see, how are you?
- Always well, and you?

01:14:19.080 --> 01:14:23.400
No, I\'m not interested in this,
I am interested in something else.

01:14:23.400 --> 01:14:28.320
- Man, as a priest you can\'t be changing anything.
- Yes, yes...

01:14:28.320 --> 01:14:32.480
If God doesn\'t see it,
our Father in heaven.

01:14:32.480 --> 01:14:36.800
These guys, they wanted to film…

01:14:37.160 --> 01:14:40.640
I gave the cathedral to you,
because they told me...

01:14:40.640 --> 01:14:47.360
\"Father Angel, who is in Atocha,
in Fuencarral street...\"

01:14:47.360 --> 01:14:54.080
And I learnt that you\'re a man
who receives people there in your parish.

01:14:54.080 --> 01:14:59.240
You came to us and said: \"Let\'s talk.\"
And we talked to you.

01:14:59.240 --> 01:15:03.760
And you were interested in doing it
the way we discussed.

01:15:03.760 --> 01:15:07.440
We\'ve talked about this a thousand times, please.

01:15:07.440 --> 01:15:13.720
Man, please, the Creator is looking at this!

01:15:14.600 --> 01:15:18.640
- We\'re in agreement.
- Think about it properly.

01:15:18.640 --> 01:15:26.080
These guys came to shoot
and tell you you\'re a champ.

01:15:26.080 --> 01:15:32.320
I\'m glad we are still set on what
we agreed at the beginning.

01:15:32.320 --> 01:15:35.400
Well, Justo let\'s keep going!

01:15:53.640 --> 01:15:59.440
Angel, show this man my Bible.

01:15:59.440 --> 01:16:01.320
One second.

01:16:01.320 --> 01:16:04.400
Open the door.

01:16:04.400 --> 01:16:08.360
No, wait, bring it to him and let him see it.

01:16:08.360 --> 01:16:11.080
Wait one second!

01:16:12.200 --> 01:16:14.800
I need to feed you first.

01:16:15.920 --> 01:16:18.280
Come on, and then I can rest a bit.

01:16:18.280 --> 01:16:23.240
I said one second, eat first!
They are not in a hurry.

01:16:23.240 --> 01:16:25.360
Look, you see?

01:16:25.360 --> 01:16:29.120
- You spilled it!
- Because you put your hands there...

01:16:29.120 --> 01:16:35.240
What hands? You put the spoon too low.
How bad you are!

01:16:36.400 --> 01:16:39.080
I need a lot of patience!

01:16:39.080 --> 01:16:44.360
- OK Angel, enough.
- What do you mean? You only had four spoonfulls!

01:16:44.360 --> 01:16:47.360
Every day like this: \"Enough, enough!\"

01:16:48.040 --> 01:16:52.040
And then five minutes later: \"Angel!\"

01:16:54.680 --> 01:16:58.920
Is it good? Is it good?

01:17:00.640 --> 01:17:05.720
- Selma prepared it for you today.
- It\'s the same...

01:17:21.440 --> 01:17:26.800
Do you agree with the stuff
the Mensajeros are putting in?

01:17:26.800 --> 01:17:28.760
Not the flags, no.

01:17:29.800 --> 01:17:33.280
Not the flags.
It\'s full of flags!

01:17:33.280 --> 01:17:38.200
Father Angel has filled it with too many things!

01:17:38.480 --> 01:17:44.280
And these decoration they\'ve put in are wrong,
they are worthless!

01:17:44.280 --> 01:17:51.720
No, man, no! It looks like military stuff!
I don’t want it here, they\'re changing it all!

01:17:51.720 --> 01:17:58.280
- And what\'s your wish for the cathedral?
- That it becomes a great basilica.

01:17:58.280 --> 01:18:03.200
Because I made it big, it\'s not some tiny church!

01:18:03.200 --> 01:18:08.520
It\'s a really good cathedral!

01:18:08.520 --> 01:18:12.680
As long as you live, you\'re the owner.

01:18:12.680 --> 01:18:16.600
And when you die, who\'ll be the owners?

01:18:18.000 --> 01:18:21.920
- Who will it be for then?
- For whomever you want.

01:18:21.920 --> 01:18:27.920
I can\'t give it to Padre Angel alone,
but he does have the means to finish it.

01:18:27.920 --> 01:18:32.880
He will bring a 60-meter crane and work on the roof.

01:18:32.880 --> 01:18:40.560
Here we are dealing with practicalities,
but the truth is I don\'t really know what\'s in it...

01:18:40.560 --> 01:18:45.400
- You don\'t know who\'s in the testament?
- No...

01:18:46.080 --> 01:18:53.080
I can\'t be here fighting, working,
and when Justo passes, I get thrown out on the street.

01:18:53.080 --> 01:18:54.360
Do you understand?

01:18:54.360 --> 01:19:00.360
Wait, wait. That will not be allowed
because I have my house here.

01:19:00.360 --> 01:19:02.480
And that is my home!

01:19:02.480 --> 01:19:09.800
And apart from that, where Justo sleeps
and these other bits, are mine.

01:19:09.800 --> 01:19:11.840
They are mine!

01:19:12.080 --> 01:19:15.840
So, a lot needs to be done.

01:19:15.840 --> 01:19:22.760
Many things need to change,
because both Justo and I are realising...

01:19:22.760 --> 01:19:28.080
...that the path is changing a little bit,
but it needs to stay straight.

01:19:28.080 --> 01:19:32.240
I\'m very grateful to Padre Angel,
super grateful.

01:19:32.240 --> 01:19:36.200
But let\'s keep going straight.
Let\'s not bend.

01:19:36.200 --> 01:19:42.480
- Does he still think a lot about the cathedral?
- Yes, yes.

01:19:42.480 --> 01:19:46.600
Yesterday he drew some pictures of how
he’d like the entrance to be...

01:19:46.600 --> 01:19:49.840
...the dome, how to reinforce it.

01:19:49.840 --> 01:19:53.240
Yes, yes, he comments on everything.

01:20:04.040 --> 01:20:10.280
My story with the cathedral started two months ago,
when Mensajeros de la Paz called us.

01:20:11.400 --> 01:20:15.600
They said they wanted us to
have a look at the cathedral...

01:20:15.600 --> 01:20:19.160
...and try to ensure its structural quality.

01:20:25.440 --> 01:20:30.000
When you see the structure from afar,
and without knowing what it is...

01:20:30.000 --> 01:20:36.080
...it can seem a little messy and chaotic,
maybe poorly built.

01:20:41.440 --> 01:20:47.000
But when you realise it was built by one man alone,
you get goosebumps.

01:20:52.080 --> 01:20:58.280
When you approach it, the first feeling you get
is of the enormity of the structure.

01:20:58.280 --> 01:21:03.480
Which gives it an intrinsic value,
because this man is a farmer, not an architect.

01:21:03.480 --> 01:21:07.560
And yet, he had all the proportions
in his head.

01:21:07.560 --> 01:21:12.720
The heights, the widths,
the thickness of the buttresses, all of it.

01:21:18.280 --> 01:21:24.640
The other day he told us something
not many engineers or architects will say.

01:21:24.640 --> 01:21:27.240
\"I worry about the wind.\"

01:21:27.240 --> 01:21:31.040
He already knows that the cathedral’s
weight isn\'t a problem.

01:21:31.040 --> 01:21:33.640
That the problem are horizontal forces, the wind.

01:21:33.640 --> 01:21:38.160
Which is the number one enemy
of tall constructions of this type.

01:21:40.840 --> 01:21:47.160
What I find most incredible is that it\'s already survived
60 years of weather calamities without problems.

01:21:47.160 --> 01:21:51.600
It survived Storm Filomena,
which destroyed many buildings in the area.

01:21:55.840 --> 01:21:58.720
He is an intuitive genius of construction.

01:22:10.240 --> 01:22:15.040
Would you believe that when I walk
towards the cathedral in the morning...

01:22:15.600 --> 01:22:21.120
...and I see it in all its wonder,
I have to look away.

01:22:21.120 --> 01:22:26.200
Because it\'s for the Creator, not for me,
or so that people flatter me.

01:22:27.400 --> 01:22:30.960
And of course, I have to look at it,
because I am building it.

01:22:30.960 --> 01:22:37.600
But often I see it all so beautiful and I say:
\"Lord, this is yours, I can\'t even look at it.\"

01:22:52.000 --> 01:22:54.160
I don\'t think about inaugurating it.

01:22:54.160 --> 01:22:57.800
I just have to keep on building
and build as much as possible.

01:22:57.800 --> 01:23:01.080
No, people want me to finish it,
but that\'s not the point.

01:23:01.080 --> 01:23:04.840
I just have to do it,
I have to keep building.

01:23:06.280 --> 01:23:10.400
You work as hard as you can,
but you don\'t know where you\'ll get.

01:23:10.400 --> 01:23:13.080
But that doesn\'t matter.

01:23:39.040 --> 01:23:44.000
I think you start to think someone is crazy
when you see him from a distance.

01:23:44.000 --> 01:23:49.200
And when he is too different
it makes him a madman.

01:23:51.400 --> 01:23:56.400
But when you get closer to him,
you start to see his point.

01:23:56.400 --> 01:24:02.480
And all of a sudden it dawned on me that the cathedral
was built for the greatest reason in the world.

01:24:03.640 --> 01:24:09.800
When I see the building I am thinking
I also want to build it in my life.

01:24:09.800 --> 01:24:14.320
Not a cathedral,
but I want to build it with my wife.

01:24:18.720 --> 01:24:25.200
An invisible building, but one that you\'ve built with love,
with thousands of details.

01:24:25.200 --> 01:24:28.280
So that when you reach the end of your life...

01:24:28.280 --> 01:24:35.400
...you\'ve left a physical metaphor which shows
that love is what endures.

01:25:12.800 --> 01:25:15.960
Are you afraid of death?

01:25:16.200 --> 01:25:17.440
Of death?

01:25:17.440 --> 01:25:22.720
No, I want it already, Lord,
please take me to you!

01:25:22.720 --> 01:25:26.760
No, no, no, I love Christ so much.

01:25:28.480 --> 01:25:32.480
And Mary, I was born on her day in my village.

01:25:32.480 --> 01:25:36.840
Our Lady of Sorrows is the patron of my town.

01:25:36.840 --> 01:25:39.840
I embrace them.